Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:56 am
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:20 am
That's because your thesis isn't concerned with what is true, but with what you want to be true. Here's the page for example which you keep referencing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_realism
"absolute" (absolutely) only appears on the page once, under direct (naive) realism, surprise surprise. All these years your thesis was ignorant nonsense.
Your thinking is very narrow, shallow and dogmatic as being a 'kindi' philosophical gnat.
I have explained the necessity because,
philosophical realism claims absolute mind-independence,
whereas
empirical realism also claim mind-independence which in this case is relative in contrast of philosophical realism.
The point is when we go deeper into an issue [which the Wiki article did not] the 'protocol' is we have to be precise and rigorous with terms, definitions, ideas and concepts.
The fact is that YOUR thinking is very narrow, shallow and dogmatic as being a 'kindi' philosophical gnat. That's why you've been building a total strawman for like a decade.
That Wiki link is pretty accurate btw. If you are unfamiliar with the different kinds of realisms then you need to re-read what you read about Western philosophy.
ESPECIALLY the direct vs indirect realism part because it is critical to where you are going dead wrong.
I also googled "philosophical realism claims absolute mind-independence", 0 hits.
ChatGPT:
Philosophical realism does not necessarily claim absolute mind-independence. Instead, it asserts that there is an external reality that exists independent of our minds and perceptions. In other words, it holds that the physical world exists objectively, regardless of whether or not we are aware of it or perceive it accurately.
However, there are different forms and degrees of philosophical realism, and they can vary in their claims about mind-independence. Here are two main types:
Metaphysical Realism: Metaphysical realism argues that reality exists independently of our minds and is objective in nature. It asserts that the physical world, including objects, properties, and events, exists as they are, regardless of human perception or conceptualization.
Epistemic Realism: Epistemic realism holds that there is an external reality, but it acknowledges that our knowledge and understanding of this reality may be limited or imperfect. While reality exists independently of our minds, our access to it might be mediated through our senses, cognitive processes, and conceptual frameworks. Epistemic realists accept that human knowledge is fallible, and there may be aspects of reality that we cannot fully grasp.
Philosophical realism does not deny the existence of subjective experiences, perceptions, or interpretations. It simply posits that these subjective elements do not determine or create the external reality itself. Instead, they are ways in which we interact with and make sense of the objective reality.
It is essential to note that philosophical discussions on realism and its various forms can be nuanced and complex. Different philosophers may emphasize different aspects of realism, leading to variations in their positions on the relationship between the mind and external reality.