The highest good exists therefore there is a God

[Sculptor]

Ok, let's start with Anselm's argument:

1) By definition, God is a being than which none greater can be imagined.
2) A being that necessarily exists, in reality, is greater than a being that does not necessarily exist.
3) Thus, by definition, if God exists as an idea in the mind but does not necessarily exist in reality, then we can imagine something that is greater than God.
4) But we cannot imagine something that is greater than God.
5) Thus, if God exists in the mind as an idea, then God necessarily exists in reality.
6) God exists in the mind as an idea.
7) Therefore, God necessarily exists in reality.

What I am arguing is that the highest does not exist so his argument fails.

You have not shown that.

This is due to Cantor. Please read this.

This argument does not reflect the thread title, since it makes no mention of "goodness".

If the greatest is not the greatest good then one can imagine the greatest evil following his argument. That is problematic.

Anslem does not provide an "argument" but just a list of distorted claims.

For example?

Point 1. Since I can imagine several gods, I can imagine one that is less than another.
2. Er... no. The greatest being I can imagine cannot exist.
3. Conclusion based on nothing.
4. Wrong, see reaction to point 1.
5. If a pink fairy can exist in my mind then does it necessarily exist in reality?? Duh no.
6. Which god?
7. No its fucking idea FFS.

[bahman]

You have not shown that.

This is due to Cantor. Please read this.

This argument does not reflect the thread title, since it makes no mention of "goodness".

If the greatest is not the greatest good then one can imagine the greatest evil following his argument. That is problematic.

Anslem does not provide an "argument" but just a list of distorted claims.

For example?

Point 1. Since I can imagine several gods, I can imagine one that is less than another.

But God according to him is the greatest.

2. Er... no. The greatest being I can imagine cannot exist.

Prove it.

[Sculptor]

This is due to Cantor. Please read this.


If the greatest is not the greatest good then one can imagine the greatest evil following his argument. That is problematic.


For example?

Point 1. Since I can imagine several gods, I can imagine one that is less than another.

But God according to him is the greatest.

2. Er... no. The greatest being I can imagine cannot exist.

Prove it.

Easy I can imagine a square circle
What are you arguing about?

[bahman]

Point 1. Since I can imagine several gods, I can imagine one that is less than another.

But God according to him is the greatest.

2. Er... no. The greatest being I can imagine cannot exist.

Prove it.

Easy I can imagine a square circle
What are you arguing about?

Cannot you prove what I asked? What is the point of deflecting!?

[Sculptor]

But God according to him is the greatest.


Prove it.

Easy I can imagine a square circle
What are you arguing about?

Cannot you prove what I asked? What is the point of deflecting!?

Is that the meaning of your thread?
Asking people to prove their imagination?

[bahman]

Easy I can imagine a square circle
What are you arguing about?

Cannot you prove what I asked? What is the point of deflecting!?

Is that the meaning of your thread?
Asking people to prove their imagination?

The greatest being I can imagine cannot exist. Prove it.