Why does God warn Adam and Eve to not eat the fruits of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

[dattaswami]

God created human beings in the beginning of the first phase of creation (Kruta Yuga), in which all the human beings were just following the instructions of God like the robots following the programme fed in to the machine heads. In such stage, there is no freedom of soul. All the instructions from God were always exceptionally good and there is no bad information. There is no need of knowing good and bad when the brain is totally surrendered to God (Tameva sharanam gachcha... Gita). Once you have full faith in God, your idea will be that whatever is said by God must be good.

You will not verify the word of God through your analysis and examine whether it is good or bad. God takes the total responsibility of soul in such total surrender (Yogakshemam... Gita). This Adam and Eve represent the males and females of the humanity existing in Kruta yuga, in which total surrender from one side and total responsibility from the other side exists.

They must abide to the word of God whatever it may be. The concept of God here is that a totally surrendered soul need not have the knowledge of good and bad when the soul is simply following the word of God without any trace of freedom. When freedom is given to the soul, then, there is a need of exposure of good and bad through exposure of scripture and the soul has freedom to decide to choose good or bad. When this situation comes, the responsibility of God goes away and this is said by God to them.

The tree of knowledge of good and bad was created by God since the time has come to give freedom to the soul. Adam and Eve violated the word of God based on the freedom of soul only. Change from continuous trend is inevitable in the nature. The change from the trend of continuous total surrender has already come in the minds of the souls and hence God wants to give freedom to the souls to relieve them from the stress of continuous specific trend.

It is the will of the divine Father only to give freedom to His children on one side and on the other side is also warning them to be careful about the bad. Giving freedom is inevitable and at the same time, the warning of God withdrawing His responsibility to protect them is also paining the heart of the divine Father. Do not forget that such tension also gives entertainment to God and do not misunderstand God as the unfortunate victim of the tension! Full freedom and total responsibility of protection do not go hand in hand.

Since freedom is decided by God, the warning is given so that human beings read the ethical scripture of God and be careful in selecting good. In the stage of freedom, the additional problem is the pollution of scripture and deep analysis is to be done to isolate the word of God from the insertions done by human beings affected by Satan. Adam and Eve were also affected by Satan. Satan appeared as sweet and good like the insertion in the divine scripture. They followed the advice of Satan as the word of God due to incapability in the analysis.

[Impenitent]

ignorance is bliss

-Imp

[Sculptor]

Oh look, here's this really tasty thing, clearly designed to be eaten so that the tree can spread its seed through the feces of the eater.
But don't eat it!!
Do not eat this wonderful tasty thing that your body is designed to relish and enjoy.

[Iwannaplato]

Once you have full faith in God, your idea will be that whatever is said by God must be good.

Of course to have full faith in God to this extent means one has full faith in oneself and one's epistemology. You have to KNOW that you judged correctly what was God's voice, what was the voice of someone saying 'this is what God said' and they were correct and so on. WHEN you KNOW (I suddenly feel like Age) that you recognize correctly the voice of God, via whatever medium or source or directly and KNOW it is not something else, then the faith you have in yourself is enormous. In fact, you must have this faith before you have faith in God, or how would you know which book to trust, which guru, which voice in your head. Even deciding if dattaswami is correct would entail that one had tremendous faith in oneself before one encounted his endless lectures.

And, of course, dattaswami is claiming indirectly to have complete faith in himself. And now he wants us to join that club...without trusting ourselves first. He won't mention that part.

[dattaswami]

Once you have full faith in God, your idea will be that whatever is said by God must be good.

Of course to have full faith in God to this extent means one has full faith in oneself and one's epistemology. You have to KNOW that you judged correctly what was God's voice, what was the voice of someone saying 'this is what God said' and they were correct and so on. WHEN you KNOW (I suddenly feel like Age) that you recognize correctly the voice of God, via whatever medium or source or directly and KNOW it is not something else, then the faith you have in yourself is enormous. In fact, you must have this faith before you have faith in God, or how would you know which book to trust, which guru, which voice in your head. Even deciding if dattaswami is correct would entail that one had tremendous faith in oneself before one encounted his endless lectures.

And, of course, dattaswami is claiming indirectly to have complete faith in himself. And now he wants us to join that club...without trusting ourselves first. He won't mention that part.

The Lord is always kindest and is interested in the happiness of all the human beings that are His children only. Gita says that the Lord is the father of all the living beings (Aham Bija Pradah Pita). The father always tries to favour His children and likes to see His children to be always happy. Originally only good path was created and all the human beings were permanently happy forever.

There was no trace of sorrow in their minds. That was called ‘Kruta Yuga’ or ‘Satya Yuga’ in which the deity of justice was standing on four legs. But in due course of time the continuous happiness started boring the human beings. One cannot eat sweets continuously. This reminds the “Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility” in Economics. They were bored and started feeling unhappy. Their minds were disturbed due to continuous happiness.

Therefore there was a need of break in the continuous happiness. That break can be only sorrow, which can be the fruit of sin only. Therefore the chilies were needed as breaks in the continuous eating of sweets.

Only for the happiness of His children, the Lord created the sin. He gave freedom to the souls so that they commit the sins and earn the chilies. Then the Lord arranged the life cycles by keeping sweets and chilies alternatively. Such arrangement alone can bring the real permanent happiness without boring. If it is continuous winter, you will get bored.

Summer is necessary. If it is continuous daytime it will be boring. Night is necessary. Even in the food the Lord created both sweets and chilies so that His children will enjoy the meals without boring. While eating the food, people will eat sweet dishes and hot dishes alternatively. Similarly the life cycle was arranged. Therefore creation of sin originally by the Lord shows only the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

Even if you have done two sins continuously, He is not giving the results of those two sins subsequently. In between these two sins a sweet result of good deed is penetrated so that the whole life cycle is an alternative arrangement of sweet and hot dishes i.e., results of good deeds and bad deeds. Such arrangement also shows the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

But what are you doing? You are pestering the God by showing false love through words (prayers) and mind (devotion) for removing the chilies and for getting sweets continuously. Since your love is not true, the Lord will not interfere with the theory of Karma, which says that one must enjoy the results of good and bad deeds. Therefore when you are pestering the Lord He is bringing the sweets from your future cycles as pre-matured fixed deposits with reduced values.

He is postponing your present chilies to the future cycles with added interests. Therefore as you are passing through the life cycles you are slowly entering such life cycles in which you are finding many number of chilies and less number of sweets. Remember that your future cycles are going to be full of chilies only without a single sweet.

In such life cycles the Lord cannot help you even if you cry to any extent. Then you are loosing your faith in the Lord and you will do sins only in such life cycles. Such sins will create further life cycles full of chilies only. Like this a chain reaction is set up and there is no end for such cycles of chilies and finally you will be born as a worm in drainage, which continuously undergoes misery only.

[Iwannaplato]

Once you have full faith in God, your idea will be that whatever is said by God must be good.

Of course to have full faith in God to this extent means one has full faith in oneself and one's epistemology. You have to KNOW that you judged correctly what was God's voice, what was the voice of someone saying 'this is what God said' and they were correct and so on. WHEN you KNOW (I suddenly feel like Age) that you recognize correctly the voice of God, via whatever medium or source or directly and KNOW it is not something else, then the faith you have in yourself is enormous. In fact, you must have this faith before you have faith in God, or how would you know which book to trust, which guru, which voice in your head. Even deciding if dattaswami is correct would entail that one had tremendous faith in oneself before one encounted his endless lectures.

And, of course, dattaswami is claiming indirectly to have complete faith in himself. And now he wants us to join that club...without trusting ourselves first. He won't mention that part.

The Lord is always kindest and is interested in the happiness of all the human beings that are His children only. Gita says that the Lord is the father of all the living beings (Aham Bija Pradah Pita). The father always tries to favour His children and likes to see His children to be always happy. Originally only good path was created and all the human beings were permanently happy forever.

There was no trace of sorrow in their minds. That was called ‘Kruta Yuga’ or ‘Satya Yuga’ in which the deity of justice was standing on four legs. But in due course of time the continuous happiness started boring the human beings. One cannot eat sweets continuously. This reminds the “Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility” in Economics. They were bored and started feeling unhappy. Their minds were disturbed due to continuous happiness.

Therefore there was a need of break in the continuous happiness. That break can be only sorrow, which can be the fruit of sin only. Therefore the chilies were needed as breaks in the continuous eating of sweets.

Only for the happiness of His children, the Lord created the sin. He gave freedom to the souls so that they commit the sins and earn the chilies. Then the Lord arranged the life cycles by keeping sweets and chilies alternatively. Such arrangement alone can bring the real permanent happiness without boring. If it is continuous winter, you will get bored.

Summer is necessary. If it is continuous daytime it will be boring. Night is necessary. Even in the food the Lord created both sweets and chilies so that His children will enjoy the meals without boring. While eating the food, people will eat sweet dishes and hot dishes alternatively. Similarly the life cycle was arranged. Therefore creation of sin originally by the Lord shows only the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

Even if you have done two sins continuously, He is not giving the results of those two sins subsequently. In between these two sins a sweet result of good deed is penetrated so that the whole life cycle is an alternative arrangement of sweet and hot dishes i.e., results of good deeds and bad deeds. Such arrangement also shows the infinite kindness of the Lord for His children.

But what are you doing? You are pestering the God by showing false love through words (prayers) and mind (devotion) for removing the chilies and for getting sweets continuously. Since your love is not true, the Lord will not interfere with the theory of Karma, which says that one must enjoy the results of good and bad deeds. Therefore when you are pestering the Lord He is bringing the sweets from your future cycles as pre-matured fixed deposits with reduced values.

He is postponing your present chilies to the future cycles with added interests. Therefore as you are passing through the life cycles you are slowly entering such life cycles in which you are finding many number of chilies and less number of sweets. Remember that your future cycles are going to be full of chilies only without a single sweet.

In such life cycles the Lord cannot help you even if you cry to any extent. Then you are loosing your faith in the Lord and you will do sins only in such life cycles. Such sins will create further life cycles full of chilies only. Like this a chain reaction is set up and there is no end for such cycles of chilies and finally you will be born as a worm in drainage, which continuously undergoes misery only.

You responded to something I did not write or focus on.
Your response would be, in general, appropriate if I was raising the issue of the problem of evil or the problem of suffering. But that was not the issue I raised here. I raised issues around faith, epistemology and what it means if you decide you know what the voice of God is and what God wants and intends and has done, etc..

[dattaswami]

You responded to something I did not write or focus on.
Your response would be, in general, appropriate if I was raising the issue of the problem of evil or the problem of suffering. But that was not the issue I raised here. I raised issues around faith, epistemology and what it means if you decide you know what the voice of God is and what God wants and intends and has done, etc..

God alone knows about Himself and hence He comes to this world in human form to preach about Him and to lead the humanity in the right direction through preaching of divine knowledge.

[Iwannaplato]

You responded to something I did not write or focus on.
Your response would be, in general, appropriate if I was raising the issue of the problem of evil or the problem of suffering. But that was not the issue I raised here. I raised issues around faith, epistemology and what it means if you decide you know what the voice of God is and what God wants and intends and has done, etc..

God alone knows about Himself and hence He comes to this world in human form to preach about Him and to lead the humanity in the right direction through preaching of divine knowledge.

How do you know which person is the human form of God? The Buddha and Jesus suggested quite different approaches, practices and ontologies. Which does one pick?
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[dattaswami]

How do you know which person is the human form of God? The Buddha and Jesus suggested quite different approaches, practices and ontologies. Which does one pick?
e

Very good question! Veda says that God is the infinite right knowledge and that God is the excellent knowledge (Satyam Jnanam…, Prajnanam….). This does not mean that God is the knowledge itself. It only means that the possessor of right and excellent knowledge is God and such knowledge is His correct identification mark since it is His inseparable characteristic. If some body wears a red shirt always, the red shirt becomes his identity mark and you can call him as the red shirt like calling “Oh! Red shirt! Come here”. Gita gives clarification on this point, which says that the possessor of knowledge is God (Jnaanitvaatmaiava……).

Since God enters the human being only, such identification is mentioned. The human being is always characterized by the knowledge. Knowledge is one sided characteristic of awareness. It means knowledge is always associated with awareness and awareness need not be associated always with knowledge.

An animal or bird has awareness but no knowledge. Therefore, you should not take awareness as the meaning of the words indicating knowledge in Veda like Jnanam and Prajnanam. This clarification is given in Gita, which says that God enters human body (Manusheem….). Hence, Gita always gives clarifications on Veda. Such correct clarification can be correctly clarified by the human incarnation only since the same God, who said Gita, can alone give the original sense of the text. The Author himself can alone give the correct sense of his own statement. Since, God is one and the same in all the human incarnations, any human incarnation can clarify the text said by any other human incarnation.

Thus the identification mark of God in human form is the true excellent divine knowledge that He preaches us and which clarify all our spiritual doubts and convinces our inner concousness.

[Iwannaplato]

How do you know which person is the human form of God? The Buddha and Jesus suggested quite different approaches, practices and ontologies. Which does one pick?
e

Very good question! Veda says that God is the infinite right knowledge and that God is the excellent knowledge (Satyam Jnanam…, Prajnanam….). This does not mean that God is the knowledge itself. It only means that the possessor of right and excellent knowledge is God and such knowledge is His correct identification mark since it is His inseparable characteristic. If some body wears a red shirt always, the red shirt becomes his identity mark and you can call him as the red shirt like calling “Oh! Red shirt! Come here”. Gita gives clarification on this point, which says that the possessor of knowledge is God (Jnaanitvaatmaiava……).

Since God enters the human being only, such identification is mentioned. The human being is always characterized by the knowledge. Knowledge is one sided characteristic of awareness. It means knowledge is always associated with awareness and awareness need not be associated always with knowledge.

An animal or bird has awareness but no knowledge. Therefore, you should not take awareness as the meaning of the words indicating knowledge in Veda like Jnanam and Prajnanam. This clarification is given in Gita, which says that God enters human body (Manusheem….). Hence, Gita always gives clarifications on Veda. Such correct clarification can be correctly clarified by the human incarnation only since the same God, who said Gita, can alone give the original sense of the text. The Author himself can alone give the correct sense of his own statement. Since, God is one and the same in all the human incarnations, any human incarnation can clarify the text said by any other human incarnation.

Thus the identification mark of God in human form is the true excellent divine knowledge that He preaches us and which clarify all our spiritual doubts and convinces our inner concousness.

I can't see where this answers my question? You have mentioned a number of religious leaders, including Jesus and the Buddha. To support your position you mention religious ideas that come just from India. In other words they are NOT Jewish or Christian ideas. And nothing that you wrote explains why one would choose one over the other, nor does it explain why they have such different practices and ideas.

[Age]

Once you have full faith in God, your idea will be that whatever is said by God must be good.

Of course to have full faith in God to this extent means one has full faith in oneself and one's epistemology. You have to KNOW that you judged correctly what was God's voice, what was the voice of someone saying 'this is what God said' and they were correct and so on. WHEN you KNOW (I suddenly feel like Age) that you recognize correctly the voice of God, via whatever medium or source or directly and KNOW it is not something else, then the faith you have in yourself is enormous. In fact, you must have this faith before you have faith in God, or how would you know which book to trust, which guru, which voice in your head. Even deciding if dattaswami is correct would entail that one had tremendous faith in oneself before one encounted his endless lectures.

And, of course, dattaswami is claiming indirectly to have complete faith in himself. And now he wants us to join that club...without trusting ourselves first. He won't mention that part.

Since I was mentioned here, WHEN one KNOWS thy Self, they will also UNCOVER and KNOW that there is NO difference between thy Self and God.

As was being alluded to and POINTED OUT above here, KNOWING and TRUSTING "oneself" is needed FIRST. In that KNOWING who and what the 'you' IS, EXACTLY, is needed FIRST to then be ABLE to LEARN and KNOW, for sure, who and what thee, or thy, True Self IS, EXACTLY, which is; just God.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Oh look, here's this really tasty thing, clearly designed to be eaten so that the tree can spread its seed through the feces of the eater.
But don't eat it!!
Do not eat this wonderful tasty thing that your body is designed to relish and enjoy.

What the fuck is 'feces'?

[attofishpi]

Oh look, here's this really tasty thing, clearly designed to be eaten so that the tree can spread its seed through the feces of the eater.
But don't eat it!!
Do not eat this wonderful tasty thing that your body is designed to relish and enjoy.

What the fuck is 'feces'?

Duh, obviously he misspelt faces..as in Eve stuffing her face with the produce of the Tree of Knowledge.

[Sculptor]

VEGETARIAN TAXIDERMY

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[attofishpi]

faeces