to grok Nothing

[Advocate]

There is no such thing as nothing.

In practical use the word always refers to a specific use-case. The only way there could be no-thing is of there were no minds.

The way somet-hing can come from no-thing is metaphorically, because things didn't exist before minds existed to distinguish them. It was just undifferentiated stuff.

[Walker]

Folks get fancy with words and say that nothing is everything, on the logical basis that no perception that is identified as a thing, is a perception of a singular element of that thing that identifies that thing, as that thing.

Every man with good eyesight, or eyesight corrected to good, knows this to be false because of practical experience. Any man can identify a woman with a glance lasting far less than a second, under most any conditions, at most any distance near or far, in weather hot or cold.

Which is not to say that a woman is nothing, or everything, even though popular cinema equates love to the latter.

[Harbal]

There is no such thing as nothing.

In practical use the word always refers to a specific use-case. The only way there could be no-thing is of there were no minds.

The way somet-hing can come from no-thing is metaphorically, because things didn't exist before minds existed to distinguish them. It was just undifferentiated stuff.

I wonder what benefit we can expect to derive from this observation of yours.

[Dontaskme]

There is no such thing as nothing.

Exactly, because to know that, would require the concept 'thing' to exist. So yes, there is no such thing as 'nothing' because 'nothing' is not a thing.


Nothing can be thought about only as an abstract thing, but nothing isn't a thing, no - thing.

No thing is and it isn't. It's a paradoxical statement, that will flex the thinking skills until it's thought to be understood.

Nothing is both some thing and no thing.

[Advocate]

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There is no such thing as nothing.

In practical use the word always refers to a specific use-case. The only way there could be no-thing is of there were no minds.

The way somet-hing can come from no-thing is metaphorically, because things didn't exist before minds existed to distinguish them. It was just undifferentiated stuff.
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I wonder what benefit we can expect to derive from this observation of yours.
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It's relevant to all meaningful uses of the term. But the real magic is in how all these groks fit together coherently.

[commonsense]

If there can be a thing, there can be an absence of a thing. If there can be everything, there can be an absence of everything. Things do exist. No thing is just a quantifier of things.

[commonsense]

There is no such thing as nothing.

In practical use the word always refers to a specific use-case. The only way there could be no-thing is of there were no minds.

The way somet-hing can come from no-thing is metaphorically, because things didn't exist before minds existed to distinguish them. It was just undifferentiated stuff.

I wonder what benefit we can expect to derive from this observation of yours.

It's relevant to all meaningful uses of the term. But the real magic is in how all these groks fit together coherently.

It sounds like you should have started a thread on the grok of everything.

[Advocate]

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[quote=Harbal post_id=587379 time=1659348990 user_id=9107]


I wonder what benefit we can expect to derive from this observation of yours.
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It's relevant to all meaningful uses of the term. But the real magic is in how all these groks fit together coherently.
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It sounds like you should have started a thread on the grok of everything.
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I started one on What'd i miss? but i think everyone missed it. So i'll do everything and metaphysics and philosophy. I'm holding off on epistemology and ethics for now.

[Harbal]

I'm holding off on epistemology and ethics for now.

I wish you would sort out the problem of the quotes in your posts not showing up properly before you do get round to epistemology and ethics.

[Advocate]

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I'm holding off on epistemology and ethics for now.
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I wish you would sort out the problem of the quotes in your posts not showing up properly before you do get round to epistemology and ethics.
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I turned that "feature" off.

[Harbal]

I turned that "feature" off.

Why did you turn it of, and why do you still include quotes in your posts given that you have turned it off?

[Advocate]

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I turned that "feature" off.
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Why did you turn it of, and why do you still include quotes in your posts given that you have turned it off?
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I'm only ever here on mobile and it doesn't work for shit on mobile, is why.

[Harbal]

I'm only ever here on mobile and it doesn't work for shit on mobile, is why.

Well it makes your posts look like a dog's dinner, if that is of any concern to you.

[Advocate]

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I'm only ever here on mobile and it doesn't work for shit on mobile, is why.
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Well it makes your posts look like a dog's dinner, if that is of any concern to you.
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Quite the opposite. It filters out anyone who's not serious about the Content. Likewise when i keep my video off on Zoom. But really, the site interface hasn't been updated since when, ever?

[Harbal]

Quite the opposite. It filters out anyone who's not serious about the Content.

I'll leave it to others to point out why that isn't stricly true.