henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:32 am
Over here...
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=35211
...in the latter part of thread, my good friend, iambiguous, laments...
iambiguous wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:56 pmWell, given all of the things on this side of the grave that still bring me enormous pleasure and satisfaction, the thought that death utterly obliterates them -- and me! -- for all the rest of eternity, is, well, disconcerting to say the least.
I can't console the poor guy.
I'm not looking for consolation. I'm simply noting that, given the staggering mystery embedded in the existence of existence itself, no one can rule out anything. A God, the God able to provide mere mortals here on Earth with immortality and salvation is a "leap of faith" that many are able to make. Indeed, I've known a lot of very, very intelligent men and women down through the years who were able to take that leap. And I couldn't possibly have respected them more.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:32 amOf course, I didn't really try cuz, as I say...
henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:41 amI don't believe there's an afterlife for me to be barred from.
Alas, it will not sink in with souls like henry that I am far less interested in what they
believe about an afterlife and far more intrigued by what they are able to
demonstrate is or is not in fact true about it.
Here's someone who needs the existence of a God, the God in order to acquire a soul in the first place. Now, mind you, he is not able to provide us with any substantive evidence that this God exist. Instead, as with most things in his life revolving around value judgments, he "thinks up" his conclusions using "logical" arguments that are little more than words defining and defending still more words.
Unless of course he or others here can link me
to conclusions of his that do revolve more around experiential and experimental evidence. I'm relatively new here so, sure, there may be a mountain of it laid out in other threads.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:32 am...and I'm good with that.
In the past, when confronting those [usually atheists] who seemed able to accept oblivion -- to actually be "good with it" -- the first thing I'd ask is, "okay, here and now, how close to your own actual existential, flesh and blood death are you?"
Are you up there in years, is your health precarious? Or is death something you react to more "philosophically"?
Also, here and now, how passionately attached to your life are you?
Do you have many, many people and things that bring you enormous satisfaction and fulfilment?
After all, everyday there are those who actually take their own life. Either because they can longer endure the pain of it, or they just don't
have anything or anyone it make it all worthwhile.
And how can this not be embodied existentially in dasein? Each of us is embedded in our own unique set of circumstances.
So, while I can envy those who are "good with" the obliteration of "I" for all the rest of eternity, I can certainly understand how others might be terrified of it. Anything
but "good with it".