Slaver.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:13 pmYes.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:52 pmBut is that really the measure we wanna use, how well control works?none of the proposed "controls" ever deliver on their promises
Does successful control of those who do, or would do, wrong justify controllin'' all those who don't, or wouldn't, do wrong?
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Wow. Just to preserve yourself, like commonsense, you'll rob another of property. A brotherhood of man founded on leashes.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:25 pmWow. Just because you don't know someone you think that they are basically worthless. No brotherhood of man on your wishlist then.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:35 pm4A2FAED4-118F-4192-A6DF-359846BB0A47.jpegattofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:16 amHenry feels that his (and everyone's) freedom to own guns is more important than protecting children from being massacred.
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Nobody is being robbed if they're not given permission to own a thing in the first place.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:43 pmWow. Just to preserve yourself, like commonsense, you'll rob another of property. A brotherhood of man founded on leashes.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:25 pmWow. Just because you don't know someone you think that they are basically worthless. No brotherhood of man on your wishlist then.
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Ah, not a slaver...a slave, nice & domesticated.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:52 pmNobody is being robbed if they're not given permission to own a thing in the first place.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:43 pmWow. Just to preserve yourself, like commonsense, you'll rob another of property. A brotherhood of man founded on leashes.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:25 pm
Wow. Just because you don't know someone you think that they are basically worthless. No brotherhood of man on your wishlist then.
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Call me what you want Henry, I guess I am even a slave to my conscience but at least I don't have the blood of children on my hands because of my concept of 'freedom'.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:00 amAh, not a slaver...a slave, nice & domesticated.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:52 pmNobody is being robbed if they're not given permission to own a thing in the first place.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:43 pm
Wow. Just to preserve yourself, like commonsense, you'll rob another of property. A brotherhood of man founded on leashes.
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Nope. The State.
Uh, if my hands are bloody becuz I advocate for freedom, imagine the gallons of it you're drenched in advocating for tyranny.but at least I don't have the blood of children on my hands because of my concept of 'freedom'.
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Oh, OK - the State and my conscience.
Yes, your hands are covered in the blood of children with more on the way. How am I an advocate for tyranny?Henry wrote:Uh, if my hands are bloody becuz I advocate for freedom, imagine the gallons of it you're drenched in advocating for tyranny.atto wrote:but at least I don't have the blood of children on my hands because of my concept of 'freedom'.
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Uh, if my hands are bloody becuz I advocate for freedom, imagine the gallons of it you're drenched in advocating for tyranny.
Orwell nailed it.
If you must be permitted, if you must seek permission, to exercise a natural right, you are being tyrannized.
If you support the idea of being permitted to exercise a natural right, you advocate for tyranny.
Becuz I choose freedom.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:19 amYes, your hands are covered in the blood of children with more on the way.
Orwell nailed it.
Nobody is being robbed if they're not given permission to own a thing in the first place.How am I an advocate for tyranny?
If you must be permitted, if you must seek permission, to exercise a natural right, you are being tyrannized.
If you support the idea of being permitted to exercise a natural right, you advocate for tyranny.
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Apart from the freedom for children and others to live free of fear.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:30 am Uh, if my hands are bloody becuz I advocate for freedom, imagine the gallons of it you're drenched in advocating for tyranny.
Becuz I choose freedom.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:19 amYes, your hands are covered in the blood of children with more on the way.
Orwell nailed it.
Tyranny:- government by a ruler or small group of people who have unlimited power over the people in their country or state and use it unfairly and cruelly:henry quirk wrote:If you must be permitted, if you must seek permission, to exercise a natural right, you are being tyrannized.atto wrote:How am I an advocate for tyranny?
Nobody is being robbed if they're not given permission to own a thing in the first place.
If you support the idea of being permitted to exercise a natural right, you advocate for tyranny.
What is being unfair or cruel about wanting to prevent child massacres?
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A penalty is years in prison.
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Just think. If we take his guns away as a safety precaution, he'd probably grab a bazooka and start shooting at us "enslavers" in retaliation.commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:00 amA penalty is years in prison.
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This is my rifle
This is my gun
This is for fighting
This is for fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f16XSB2cORg
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Calling a gun a bazooka sounds like some kind of Freudian projection.
If you're aiming for precision, call it a weapon. The bazooka, that is.
Ah-ooo-gah!, which is a sound made under certain circumstances, sounds suspiciously like ... ba-zoo-kah!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcJis94_ikE
In that light of Freud, that would explain the intro to this tune.
Blue Swede - Hooked on a Feeling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk
This is my gun
This is for fighting
This is for fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f16XSB2cORg
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Calling a gun a bazooka sounds like some kind of Freudian projection.
If you're aiming for precision, call it a weapon. The bazooka, that is.
Ah-ooo-gah!, which is a sound made under certain circumstances, sounds suspiciously like ... ba-zoo-kah!.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcJis94_ikE
In that light of Freud, that would explain the intro to this tune.
Blue Swede - Hooked on a Feeling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk
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Come off it. Isn't freedom of movement a "natural right"? Shouldn't people be able to roam the Green Earth wheresoever they will?henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:30 am Uh, if my hands are bloody becuz I advocate for freedom, imagine the gallons of it you're drenched in advocating for tyranny.
Becuz I choose freedom.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 12, 2023 12:19 amYes, your hands are covered in the blood of children with more on the way.
Orwell nailed it.
Nobody is being robbed if they're not given permission to own a thing in the first place.How am I an advocate for tyranny?
If you must be permitted, if you must seek permission, to exercise a natural right, you are being tyrannized.
If you support the idea of being permitted to exercise a natural right, you advocate for tyranny.
If so, by owning land (and putting up no trespassing signs) you are tyranizing your fellow humans.
Ownership exists only as it is regulated by law. You can claim to own a car, but if the law (and police, and your fellow humans) don't support your claim, that claim is meaningless. You can claim to own land, in which case your ownership does absolutely nothing except control other people vis a vis that land.
What you are really saying is not that preventing people from exercising their natural rights is tyranny (that's clearly not what you mean, given your support for property rights), but that preventing people from doing those things of which you approve is tyranny.
If (as is obvious) property rights are fiat rights, determined by law, then laws regulating them (e.g. gun control, property taxes,etc.) are included in the laws controlling ownership. You can complain, but you must use a different line of argument. The one you are using now is so blatantly incorrect as to be silly.
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How is your statement different from mine in meaning?henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:19 amNope. I'm arguing for the natural right of any, every, person to own anything they can fairly transact for or create, including atom bombs.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:55 amThen I must conclude that you are arguing in favor of every American’s legal right to own such property as a nuclear weapon.
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Folks have the right to X is the same as all folks can have X. If they can have it, then why shouldn’t they have it if they want it and can afford to purchase it?henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:30 amYou're silly. Acknowledging a right to property, any property, is not synonymous with wanting folks to own a particular property.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:25 amYou cannot deny your preference for every American to own a nuke in view of the circumstance that nukes do exist.
Folks have the right to X is not the same as folks ought to have X.