Note to others:Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:41 amOK, this is getting surreal. I say that people there had the same kinds of reactions to you.iambiguous wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:42 am In other words, I brought it up because the shit I get from the Stooges here is not all that far removed from the shit I got from the Stooges there.
You tell me I don't know squat and tell me to show you examples.
I show you examples, but somehow I am shameless and wrong....
and here you say it yourself precisely. There were Stooges there also. And why would you call them Stooges, because they were reacting to you in ways that make you call people Stooges.
You admit there were people reacting in similar ways. That's issue one. That was my claim and I demonstrated and here above you confirm it without every acknowledging this.
Issue 2 is: are these people right?
You can't even admit the easier to see, let's look at the examples issue. In fact you want to jump past that, without admitting anything, to the more complicated issue.
(As an asside: the whole 'explanation' with you and your friends spinning around back then hasn't even convinced you, see the quote above. It was a near gibberish non-defense, which you yourself don't even buy or there wouldn't have been what you call Stooges back then)
So, what do you think, a "failure to communicate"?
Let's just say that "here and now" we do have free will and you are all able to decide of your own volition which one of us here is most ridiculous.
Well, politics aside, of course.
Me, I acknowledge over and again that my own assessment here [in regard to value judgments] is no less but the existential embodiment of dasein.
Click...Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:41 amAs noted, you do this in the abstract, up in the clouds of abstraction, you concede with no context that you might have a distorted view. It never leads to anything practical.
This, in my view, is simply bulshit. In the OPs here...
https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=194382
https://ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=175121
I explore in depth my own moral philosophy as it pertains to abortion. As, in my view, it pertains to all conflicting goods.
How about you and your own moral perspective on abortion? How are your own value judgments derived in a way other than the manner in which I acquired mine? How are they either fractured and fragmented [as mine are] or not fractured and fragmented [as is the case with the moral objectivists].
On the contrary -- click -- I explore articles pertaining to free will, determinism and compatibilism in Philosophy Now magazine and from other online sources. Then I comment on the arguments the authors make. I'm not the one here intent on turning the discussions into assessments of me.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:41 amYou name call and then mind read and play to the gallery.
Also, I noted the reason why, in my view, the objectivists among us react to me as they do...there and here:
.To you, perhaps, but certainly not to me. I've been tangling with objectivists online now for over 20 years. And those are the three main narratives that most pissed them off
Again, I don't rule anything out here. As Nicholas noted of Maurice, "he was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest."Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:41 amOr that's a story you tell yourself to soothe yourself when you are criticized for how you interact with people
You seem utterly incapable of considering that.
That seems like a reasonable description of me here. Then my "win"/"win" assessment. But this doesn't make the parts pertaining to dasein and the Benjamin Button Sydrome go away. Let alone "the gap" and "Rummy's Rule".
They become "Stooges" however only when, from my own rooted existentially in dasein frame of mind, I construe their reactions to my posts as focusing far more on making me the issue. It's a judgment call.
I have no idea what this has to do with my point above.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:41 amAnd notice how here you make no mention of that fact that they, we, are specifically talking about the way you interact with other people. The only possible narratives you present and it seems even can manage to consider at all, have to do with the other people's psychology.
Then back to the psychobabble rendition of me...
We'll need a context of course.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 9:41 amSupposedly you are fractured and fragmented. Supposedly you think we may or may not know things and our viewpoints are affected by dasein. And yet despite decades of putting forward these positions
in any specific, concrete interaction with others
you only find and present narratives where other people have the problems.
IOW your own philosophy has no affect on you when it comes to your own behavior and interactions.
There are these up in the clouds, after the name calling and mindreading.
If nothing else you can, in a civil and intelligent manner, note specific instances of all your complaints about me.
I missed it then.
And, okay, you're now "done" with this exchange. Fine, fuck off then...