marxism: if it were the 'real' deal

[henry quirk]

I'm told all the world's communisms and socialisms (past and present), aren't the real deal.

I'm told Marx would spin like a top in his grave if he could see how his ideas have been twisted, misinterpreted, etc.

Fine.

Tell me how Marxism is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Marxist community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

I, of course, will attempt to wreck your utopia.

Who's first?

[Immanuel Can]

Wow, it's quiet out there!

[mickthinks]

We can all do that, henry:

Tell me how the Kingdom of God is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Christian community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

[mickthinks]

Tell me how Liberty is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Libertarian community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

lol

[mickthinks]

Tell me how Truth is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working honest community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

lololol

[henry quirk]

Tell me how Truth is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working honest community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

lololol

Dishonest debaters do that to give the impression of valid counter-arguments when they have none.

So no, not a refutation. A false dichotomy. A non sequitur.

[henry quirk]

Tell me how Liberty is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Libertarian community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

lol

I will.

Make a thread devoted to it.

This is one is for commies and their world.

Dazzle me, mick.

[henry quirk]

We can all do that, henry:

Tell me how the Kingdom of God is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Christian community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

I'm not Christian, so: nope.

[henry quirk]

Wow, it's quiet out there!

mick is makin' noise...just noise.

It's early, though...somebody might step up.

[mickthinks]

When you present an argument against Marxism, I (and others, I've no doubt) will counter it.

[henry quirk]

When you *present an argument against Marxism, I (and others, I've no doubt) will counter it.

*yeah, every time anyone does that they're told oh, what you're describin' ain't real communism, real socialism, real marxism.

Here's you're chance to tell the world all about the real deal.

Obviously, you won't, but mebbe someone else will.

So, please, quit muddyin' the thread with your shenanigans.

[Walker]

We can all do that, henry:

Tell me how the Kingdom of God is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Christian community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

From time to time, apparently demented folks without earbuds can be seen in public places such as libraries or parks giggling to themselves, the gigglers being those who don’t wear the tormented mask of schizophrenia under a raggedy bandanna posing as a covid shield. Perhaps they’re thinking things like, “I’d surely like to think about eating steak on this fine day, but because other folks are probably thinking about eating something else, such as ice cream, I guess we can’t discuss steak … or what the ideal of Marxism is supposed to be for the individual.

After all, consideration of the individual, especially one extra-special individual, is human nature.

Considering that Marxists are morons, there’s probably not a whole lot to discuss about that anyway. It’s a tired old trudge. The road to Marxism first requires destruction of whatever is … be it the crumbling Royal power structure, or a democratic republic corrupted by crony capitalism, and outright bribery by China.

Crummy conditions that follow the necessary destruction of what is serves to lock the masses into limited personal horizons, with high priorities in life becoming the daily grind such as guessing the time of the next rolling blackout, or what time of the morning the market will get it’s one weekly shipment of meat, until meat gets banned by the propaganda machine as a climate threat.

Under Marxism, Mediocrity thus becomes the aspiration. Under Marxism, the genius who could have built the next great thing is also intelligent enough to see where it will get him … an extra ration of gruel and hopefully not noticed by the next ruler who needs not play by the same rules as the common folk.

The baseline is a hovel and a bowl of gruel. From there one can become a good systems manipulator, then it’s the perks of life. A home on the lake, a mistress, steak twice a week, and so on according to one’s proclivities.

Did you know that man’s activities on earth are now causing tornadoes? Just listen to Biden, and the weather maniacs.

[promethean75]

Settle down, ladies. I got shit to do and I kan't play on the computer all day. And judging by all the interpretational errors I've seen so far, this is gonna end up being a long haul. It's almost overwhelming. Nonsense about dialectical materialism (that Marx did not subscribe to), countless deaths at the hands of autocrats who weren't marxists... which I'd add are inconsequential compared to the number of deaths directly or indirectly attributed to capitalism/imperialism, misclassification of what a 'proletariat' is, sloppy and incomplete analysis of the LTV... and somebody even mentioned sleepy Joe, who's anything but a Marxist.

This one's gonna be a long one, boys. I can feel it. Might end up making Mao's long march look like a walk around the block. Imma try. Kan't say I feel too good about it tho.

Here's a relevant vid that lays some stuff out for yas.

https://youtu.be/byqOHE-37og

[FlashDangerpants]

At last, Henry has something approaching an actual Marxist to argue with. So the rest of us get to put horseshoe theory to the test.

I think that once Henry as to get past his trivial Marxism=Slavery rhetoric we'll find that the differences between his minarchism and any modern version of Marxism* are more about labels than content, especially given his tendency to override his own values in order to prescribe what decisions all free thinkers must make (which are of course exactly the same as every choice Henry would tell them to make).





* I assume we are at the post-history stuff with a flat social hierarchy of equals in this real-deal Marxism?

[henry quirk]

Settle down, ladies. I got shit to do and I kan't play on the computer all day. And judging by all the interpretational errors I've seen so far, this is gonna end up being a long haul. It's almost overwhelming. Nonsense about dialectical materialism (that Marx did not subscribe to), countless deaths at the hands of autocrats who weren't marxists... which I'd add are inconsequential compared to the number of deaths directly or indirectly attributed to capitalism/imperialism, misclassification of what a 'proletariat' is, sloppy and incomplete analysis of the LTV... and somebody even mentioned sleepy Joe, who's anything but a Marxist.

This one's gonna be a long one, boys. I can feel it. Might end up making Mao's long march look like a walk around the block. Imma try. Kan't say I feel too good about it tho.

Here's a relevant vid that lays some stuff out for yas.

https://youtu.be/byqOHE-37og

just a reminder, guy...

Tell me how Marxism is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Marxist community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.