The Limits of Argument
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The Limits of Argument
Have you ever been frustrated by the stubbornness of some forum member who won’t listen to reason?
I recommend that you take a peak at The Limits of Argument in the Articles in Philosophy Now section.
Or access it here:
https://philosophynow.org/issues/142/Th ... f_Argument
You’ll find that Howard Darmstadter asks why rational debate doesn’t often change minds.
If you are pressed for time or just too impatient to read more than a few paragraphs, begin reading with the last subheading, Taking the Long View.
You’re welcome.
I recommend that you take a peak at The Limits of Argument in the Articles in Philosophy Now section.
Or access it here:
https://philosophynow.org/issues/142/Th ... f_Argument
You’ll find that Howard Darmstadter asks why rational debate doesn’t often change minds.
If you are pressed for time or just too impatient to read more than a few paragraphs, begin reading with the last subheading, Taking the Long View.
You’re welcome.
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Why would it change minds?commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:44 am
You’ll find that Howard Darmstadter asks why rational debate doesn’t often change minds.
If a debate is just for argument sake, then that's all you'll get, the debate will always present itself as being an argument about arguing.
You can only change your own mind ( not other (plural) minds.
For example: I've changed my mind about many philosophical points and ideas, I'm always changing my mind about how I perceive the nature of reality.
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Let's agree to disagree.
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Rational debate doesn't often change minds because people don't often have a valid epistemology, if any at all.
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The point is that when you are being nutty no one can share their thoughts with you.
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if philosophy doesn't make you smile, you're doing it wrong...commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 pm The point is that when you are being nutty no one can share their thoughts with you.
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Impenitent wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:25 pmif philosophy doesn't make you smile, you're doing it wrong...commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 8:36 pm The point is that when you are being nutty no one can share their thoughts with you.
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The above does not apply to your many witticisms.
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yea but how can you change your mind to, if you haven't been exposed to that which you would change your mind to.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:56 amWhy would it change minds?commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:44 am
You’ll find that Howard Darmstadter asks why rational debate doesn’t often change minds.
If a debate is just for argument sake, then that's all you'll get, the debate will always present itself as being an argument about arguing.
You can only change your own mind ( not other (plural) minds.
For example: I've changed my mind about many philosophical points and ideas, I'm always changing my mind about how I perceive the nature of reality.
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You’ll find that Howard Darmstadter asks why rational debate doesn’t often change minds.
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Why would it change minds?
If a debate is just for argument sake, then that's all you'll get, the debate will always present itself as being an argument about arguing.
You can only change your own mind ( not other (plural) minds.
For example: I've changed my mind about many philosophical points and ideas, I'm always changing my mind about how I perceive the nature of reality.
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yea but how can you change your mind to, if you haven't been exposed to that which you would change your mind to.
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Why would you be open to changing your mind if you had reasonably solid epistemological warrant in the first place? To be open to evidence you haven't vetted yet is a different thing than being broadly open-minded to changing your mind. The rules are different when you've found truth. Opening your mind to change when you're already right is to eliminate the purpose of finding knowledge.
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You’ll find that Howard Darmstadter asks why rational debate doesn’t often change minds.
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Why would it change minds?
If a debate is just for argument sake, then that's all you'll get, the debate will always present itself as being an argument about arguing.
You can only change your own mind ( not other (plural) minds.
For example: I've changed my mind about many philosophical points and ideas, I'm always changing my mind about how I perceive the nature of reality.
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yea but how can you change your mind to, if you haven't been exposed to that which you would change your mind to.
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Why would you be open to changing your mind if you had reasonably solid epistemological warrant in the first place? To be open to evidence you haven't vetted yet is a different thing than being broadly open-minded to changing your mind. The rules are different when you've found truth. Opening your mind to change when you're already right is to eliminate the purpose of finding knowledge.
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