Harbal wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 8:12 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:37 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:32 pm
As far as other people are concerned, you and I are in exactly the same position; we express our views, and they will either agree or disagree, and the mere fact that you might tell them you are speaking objective truth will make not a jot of difference.
Unless it IS objective. And since we know that if it's "subjective," it's merely personal and temporary, then it cannot be anything BUT objective...or nothing.
there is no such thing as objective moral truth; that is not what morality is.
Well, so you say: but no reasonable person should agree with that statement.
But even those who believe there is such a thing, will not necessarily refer to the same "objective" truth as you do.
For objective morality, your agreement is not required. Moral truth will proceed, regardless of you. All you can do is decide whether you're on the right side or the wrong one. But you can't change the terms.
Harbal wrote:
If being morally wrong bothered you, we wouldn't even be having this argument.
You forget -- according to you, I can't BE "morally wrong." Whatever values I subjectively decide to hold at a given moment are all there is, and are as "right" as anything can ever be. And I don't even owe myself a duty to follow them, either.
Again, you're behaving as an Objectivist. So you're just being inconsistent, and not even keeping faith with yourself. Why, then, should anybody else take your view seriously, since YOU clearly don't.
IC wrote:Harbal wrote:My assessment of Trump is based almost entirely on the speeches and interviews he has given.
I won't question your word. I do doubt that that's at all true.
I don't believe that you doubt it at all.
And yet, I do.