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In defense of colonism
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:28 pm
by Seleucus
Bruce Gilley's "The case for colonialism" rocked the intellectual world this last couple weeks. Should be easy enough to find the article online, here is the abstract,
"For the last 100 years, Western colonialism has had a bad name. It is
high time to question this orthodoxy. Western colonialism was, as a
general rule, both objectively beneficial and subjectively legitimate in
most of the places where it was found, using realistic measures of those
concepts. The countries that embraced their colonial inheritance, by
and large, did better than those that spurned it. Anti-colonial ideology
imposed grave harms on subject peoples and continues to thwart
sustained development and a fruitful encounter with modernity in
many places. Colonialism can be recovered by weak and fragile states
today in three ways: by reclaiming colonial modes of governance;
by recolonising some areas; and by creating new Western colonies
from scratch."
In light of the resurgence of Western pride we are living through today, this is an essential read. Self-hating, White-guilt trippers, eat your bleeding hearts out =) It's a veritable cause for celebration that these obvious truths to anyone who has spent significant amounts of time in the Third-World can finally be spoken frankly.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:04 pm
by Skip
Colonism. Yes, indeed. Or at least anatomically close.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:37 pm
by Impenitent
Skip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:04 pm
Colonism. Yes, indeed. Or at least anatomically close.
Powell may object
-Imp
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:47 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
You are far too shallow and agenda-driven to be taken seriously.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm
by Seleucus
Skip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:04 pmColonism. Yes, indeed. Or at least anatomically close.
I spelt it that way since that's how Frantz Fanon often spelt it.
What's quite obvious is that 3rd World countries can't manage the developing societies colonism left them. Colonization advanced many countries out of the literal stone age, or perhaps monarchical feudalism in a couple centuries but the psychology and cognitive structures to support a modern society take thousands of years to form. The people of 3rd World countries don't deserve the countries they have now ruined. I agree with Gilley and have thought so for some time that at minimum police and judiciaries need to be turned over to impartial foreign judges and trainers. Another point is his probably correct about is the damaging effect of disidentification against the West since it leaves no model of emulation, historically it seems to be imitation of higher prestige cultures that brings social transformation. de Maistre may be right, the reason societies don't develop on to civilization and on to the stars is because of bad habits, failed forms of social organization. Civilization develops out of the jungle naturally unless in someway becoming deformed. 3rd World societies are those societies which have defective social habits and failed to develop into advanced civilizations. So, Gilley's projections about the number of centuries it will take Bangladesh, for example, to reach an advanced stage of development are probably just wrong since it will simply just never happen due to the defectiveness of the building materials so to speak. Either way, a very fascinating article.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:47 pmYou are far too shallow and agenda-driven to be taken seriously.
"You"... ad hom/projection.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:35 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm
Skip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:04 pmColonism. Yes, indeed. Or at least anatomically close.
I spelt it that way since that's how Frantz Fanon often spelt it.
What's quite obvious is that 3rd World countries can't manage the developing societies colonism left them. Colonization advanced many countries out of the literal stone age, or perhaps monarchical feudalism in a couple centuries but the psychology and cognitive structures to support a modern society take thousands of years to form. The people of 3rd World countries don't deserve the countries they have now ruined. I agree with Gilley and have thought so for some time that at minimum police and judiciaries need to be turned over to impartial foreign judges and trainers. Another point is his probably correct about is the damaging effect of disidentification against the West since it leaves no model of emulation, historically it seems to be imitation of higher prestige cultures that brings social transformation. de Maistre may be right, the reason societies don't develop on to civilization and on to the stars is because of bad habits, failed forms of social organization. Civilization develops out of the jungle naturally unless in someway becoming deformed. 3rd World societies are those societies which have defective social habits and failed to develop into advanced civilizations. So, Gilley's projections about the number of centuries it will take Bangladesh, for example, to reach an advanced stage of development are probably just wrong since it will simply just never happen due to the defectiveness of the building materials so to speak. Either way, a very fascinating article.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:47 pmYou are far too shallow and agenda-driven to be taken seriously.
"You"... ad hom/projection.
That's not an 'ad hom'. You know it's true. There might even be smidgens of truth in it, but your agenda is so transparent that they are cancelled out.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:05 am
by Seleucus
This thread is for the discussion of Bruce Gilley's article.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:41 am
by davidm
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:05 am
This thread is for the discussion of Bruce Gilley's article.
I'm going to venture to say that no one cares about his stupid artcle, or about your stupid, racist ideas.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:42 am
by vegetariantaxidermy
It doesn't look like it's available online anyway. Unless you have a link? It seems like a rather silly thing to 'defend'. What is anyone supposed to do about it now? Which countries in particular is he/you referring to?
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:11 am
by Seleucus
davidm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:41 am
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:05 am
This thread is for the discussion of Bruce Gilley's article.
your...
ad hom/projection.
Seeing as there are thousands of newspaper articles, blogs and vlogs on the Gilley article in the past ten days I'm thinking that a few people do care. As Whites and Westerners awaken from a life span of defeatism and self-loathing and reclaim pride and world leaderships the tide turns and political correctness passes and new dominant ideologies move in, and so articles like Gilley's become possible. It would be easy to put on a show of virtue but actually do nothing to confront the horror of 3rd World... as some are doing... and it would also be easy to say to hell with those dogs, let them rot in their sh1t-hole countries. What happens in the 3rd World however eventually affects the advanced countries, as for example when the rubbish from the ruined beaches everywhere throughout the tropics starts to wash up on our beaches. The cowardly migrants who flee their countries and invade ours rather than having some pride and trying to save and build their homelands are another example of the dangerous effects that the 3rd World is having on the First. The frightening appearance of Islam with all its ignorance and savagery in our countries is thread from the 3rd World. Either out of love for our own threatened society, or out of pity for the wretches who suffer in the 3rd World, we need to take action on this.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:16 am
by vegetariantaxidermy
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:11 am
davidm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:41 am
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:05 am
This thread is for the discussion of Bruce Gilley's article.
your...
ad hom/projection.
Seeing as there are thousands of newspaper articles, blogs and vlogs on the Gilley article in the past ten days I'm thinking that a few people do care. As Whites and Westerners awaken from a life span of defeatism and self-loathing and reclaim pride and world leaderships the tide turns and political correctness passes and new dominant ideologies move in, and so articles like Gilley's become possible. It would be easy to put on a show of virtue but actually do nothing to confront the horror of 3rd World... as some are doing... and it would also be easy to say to hell with those dogs, let them rot in their sh1t-hole countries. What happens in the 3rd World however eventually affects the advanced countries, as for example when the rubbish from the ruined beaches everywhere throughout the tropics starts to wash up on our beaches. The cowardly migrants who flee their countries and invade ours rather than having some pride and trying to save and build their homelands are another example of the dangerous effects that the 3rd World is having on the First. The frightening appearance of Islam with all its ignorance and savagery in our countries is thread from the 3rd World. Either out of love for our own threatened society, or out of pity for the wretches who suffer in the 3rd World, we need to take action on this.
You talk as if it's only 'white people' who ever colonised. The original colonisers were black. And places like Iraq and Syria were hardly 'shit-holes'. They were civilised long before your supposedly 'civilised' 'shit-hole'.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:20 am
by Seleucus
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:42 amIt doesn't look like it's available online anyway. Unless you have a link? It seems like a rather silly thing to 'defend'. What is anyone supposed to do about it now? Which countries in particular is he/you referring to?
http://fooddeserts.org/images/paper0114.pdf
http://sci-hub.ac/10.1080/01436597.2017.1369037
https://sci-hub.cc/downloads/fbf0/10.10 ... 369037.pdf
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:22 am
by Seleucus
ad hom/projection.
This thread is for the discussion of Bruce Gilley's article.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:22 am
by davidm
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:11 am
davidm wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:41 am
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:05 am
This thread is for the discussion of Bruce Gilley's article.
your...
ad hom/projection.
Seeing as there are thousands of newspaper articles, blogs and vlogs on the Gilley article in the past ten days I'm thinking that a few people do care. As Whites and Westerners awaken from a life span of defeatism and self-loathing and reclaim pride and world leaderships...
White America built its wealth and unwarranted privilege on the backs of the Native Americans against whom they committed genocide, the African-Americans whom they kidnapped from their homelands and enslaved, and Chinese immigrants whom they ruthlessly exploited. White Americans are the worst of the worst.
Re: In defense of colonism
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:26 am
by vegetariantaxidermy
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:22 am
ad hom/projection.
This thread is for the discussion of Bruce Gilley's article.
Where's the article then? It's a bit hard to discuss it when 'ONE' cannot read it.