Not according to you...popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2023 11:57 pm One just can get more relevant. I have knowledge about you as an object in my world,
You have made the argument several times in several ways that what is outside us we don't know about. We know about our experience. We don't know about what is out there.Just a misunderstanding. It is well known in philosophy that subject and object can never be separated, it is only done so in dialogue to understand their relationship to our apparent reality. You agree apparent reality is subjective, this comes about through the energies/objects in the outer world altering our biology/bodies through our senses which is experience. It is these effects which we call apparent reality, and it tells us more about our experience than it does about what causes the experiences.
But when this is pointed out, you start to change your tune....
just as I am an object in your world, we make assumptions about like creatures in our subjective realities, but they are assumptions, which seem for the most part prove out and we communicate on this basis.
And now suddenly you know what the apparant reality of the worm is!!!!The fact that we share a similar apparent reality only underlines our similar structure and form, essence, however, is shared with all other creatures, like our cousin the worm.
So, you've manage to make claims about things that are outside you. Not only is this realism, but it's a realism where you do not have the problem of other minds.
You have the same model in a post to Dontaskme
You are in contact with a biological readout, not the things in themselves out there. Well, we and the worm are not inside you. All you have, according to you, is your biological read out. Yet you know, somehow, that we are all pretty much the same and you think you can weigh in even on the apparant reality (the experiences) of us and worms. This is cake and eat it too, given that we are outside of you.It was Spinoza that stated that the way we come to know the outside world is through the alterations that the physical world/objects make to our bodies. He was a seventeenth-century philosopher, and he believed in appearance as reality; but even Plato warned us, not to be fooled into thinking appearance is reality. Just as sound or the energy waves in and of themselves are not sound, it is the effect upon our biology, the eardrum that gives the emergent sound to a biological subject. This sound, however, is a melody only the subject hears, for it is a self-simulation or biological readout. Sound is a biological effect and the same is true of what we call objects, the whole of apparent reality is simply an emergent biological readout of the energies that surround us.