There is here NO SELF claiming itself.
To know you are is to know you're not.
To know you're not is to know you are.
You don't make statements. Statements make You.
There is here NO SELF claiming itself.
You don't make statements. Statements make You.
Did someone say something?Dontaskme wrote:There is here NO SELF claiming itself. ...
Sorry is someone speaking?To know you are is to know you're not.
To know you're not is to know you are. ...
That explains shitloads.You don't make statements. Statements make You.
Of course that is the case. Every thing after all is in relation to perspective, and as I say, Everything is relative to the observer. Although that is the case, how do you propose one individual person can have a more objective view of things while a united group of people has a more subjective view of things?
My apologies I was not clear.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:05 pmAh yes, I replied BACK to you, pointing out to you that I was waiting for an answer from S57...and while I was waiting, you chimed in saying the question was easy to know or understand when one knows HOW...assuming I didn't already know HOW...ALTHOUGH I DID...ken wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:46 amI do not care if you answer a question or not that I pose to another person, but this is what you wrote to Me when I answered a question that you posed to another person;Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:57 am
Because God is the giver, your name is a gift from the giver, but not all gifts are received with the unconditional love in which they were given. All un-wanted gifts are automatically returned to sender. If you are not open to receive, the giver cannot give.
Enjoy the gift, but focus on the giver.
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"I was posing the question to S57 ..but then you chimed in assuming I have not yet learnt the answer...I know you like to do that sort of thing...but you are preaching to the already converted with me, so congratulations for being as smart as me.
It's up to S57 to answer or not...I will await reply from S57."
Which to Me seems a bit hypocritical.
Which to me seems a bit hypocritical to assume that other people, namely, me, don't know what they perfectly do know.
You must have assumed that about me, otherwise why reply to me specifically, why couldn't you have just gone straight to S57's quote and replied to that poster directly?
I don't mind people chiming in on my posts ..but make it about the poster in reference to the discussion only, don't make it about me in communication with that person as if I didn't know what I was talking about.
Asking for clarity BEFORE you make assumptions helps.
This is another issue. But where did I make that assumption?
If that is your answer, then it speaks for itself, in that you have not actually explained nor showed HOW God gives.
Not yet.
Why did you bring smartness and competition into this discussion. These two things are just about as far away as could be from what I am actually looking at and discussing here.
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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:05 pmLets' celebrate and own our own ass.
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There is not a someone who is speaking. Speaking is an appearance of sound an auditory illusion heard as words appearing from no thing to no one. This is known, but not by IArising_uk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:15 pmDid someone say something?Dontaskme wrote:There is here NO SELF claiming itself. ...Sorry is someone speaking?To know you are is to know you're not.
To know you're not is to know you are. ...
The you doesn't make statements, you are the statement.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:15 pm''You don't make statements. Statements make You.''
That explains shitloads.
No 'thing' can watch you, you are the watching that cannot be watched.
I don't recall ever saying the perceiver cannot be perceived. If I have, where have I said that?
I also know the perceiver can be perceived. If you knew this as well...why reply to my question to S57...why not go straight to S57 with your reply...this was my only gripe.
No I don't, where have I stated the perceiver cannot be perceived?
Then you should have included the underlined part so that people would have known why you wanted to know how?
But you did NOT give an answer besides "Because God is the giver". That, to Me, certainly does not provide an answer, let alone and absolute answer, of HOW God gives.
Excellent post.]...[ wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:20 am .
In the way objective and subjective is used here does not have to do with the amount of people.
Objective in relation to the outside world and us recognizing that we are part of that world. In effect, you did not chose the time and place of your birth. Not your race, or your name; your family or social position. We haven't chosen anything in our lives or our reality.
What we normally consider ourselves is actually a completely objective thing that we have become attached to.
Subjective, in this case, refers to a universal law, such as what Ouspensky may describe as, The Law of Three.
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I apologize profusely, I can not find where you have stated that exactly that way. From the way I have been reading some of your writings I thought that that is what you have been alluding to;
I will have to honestly admit that I thought you have previously stated that the perceiver can not be perceived, therefore I was making that assumption that you did not know that the perceiver can be perceived. That is why I replied to you and not surreptitous57. I note that surreptitous57 also says that the percevier can be perceived. I also note that what you have stated previously was, "the perceiver cannot be the perceived." Again I apologize profusely. My mistake, I had read your words wrongly.
I have acknowledged My mistake. But what I was confusing this with, or relating this with, is when you say things like, "the knower is unknowable" and/or ..., which is beyond the Mind's understanding. To Me, the knower is very knowable and there is nothing beyond the Mind's understanding.
Do you mean the 'you' is not a physical thing, or not a thing at all?