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What is your answer?

Apparently, atheists neither see nor have seen either God or gods. Neither do they perceive a valid cause for belief in a deity, or deities, if they have not been verified by senses, or mind.

What is your answer?

Walker wrote:Apparently, atheists neither see nor have seen either God or gods. Neither do they perceive a valid cause for belief in a deity, or deities, if they have not been verified by senses, or mind.

Walker wrote:What is your answer?

They don't believe because they demand proof and tangible physical evidence before they'll commit to any belief. Pretty much similar to yours.

Well, if proof exists, then need for belief does not exist.

Thus, it boils down to perception. What exactly is it, that you are seeing?
For that matter, what is it that you are thinking?

If you think only one thought, that is an undifferentiated thought, which means that one thought is all thoughts in one.

Thus, the purported last thought of Ghandi, in word-form.

Walker wrote:Well, if proof exists, then need for belief does not exist.

Thus, it boils down to perception. What exactly is it, that you are seeing?
For that matter, what is it that you are thinking?

If you think only one thought, that is an undifferentiated thought, which means that one thought is all thoughts in one.

Thus, the purported last thought of Ghandi, in word-form.

Very lucid of you Walker thanks for your comments.

Is a thought triggered by the preceding thought?

As for the thinker, who is the thinker...can I keep stepping back while asking the question until it is apparent
that there is no individual thinker apart from the thought itself?

Walker wrote:
What exactly is it, that you are seeing?

What you are seeing is not what's seeing, you are what's seeing.

Nothing seen in this garden is aware of it's own beauty. Beauty is what's looking at itself.

The trees only way of seeing itself is through the mechanism of sight, the eyeball. Or, if we are blind, it feels itself through the mechanism of fingers.

Who built the mechanism....? I think that's pretty much all the evidence one needs

Why don't you believe in fairies (assuming you don't)?

Dontaskme wrote:What is your answer?

Because atheists are not allowed to believe in God, Dontaskme. There are very strict rules about it, as soon as you have the slightest doubt you automatically get relegated to agnostic. Lots of people manage to lead perfectly normal lives as agnostics but they need to be on their guard against letting it go any further.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Why don't you believe in fairies (assuming you don't)?

Dontaskme's beliefs make fairies seem plausible.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Why don't you believe in fairies (assuming you don't)?

That's not the issue here.

The human will tend to have no belief in what they can't see only what they can see.

And I do believe in anything that can be imagined else it couldn't be imagined...could it, or couldn't it?

Dontaskme wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Why don't you believe in fairies (assuming you don't)?

That's not the issue here.

The human will tend to have no belief in what they can't see only what they can see.

And I do believe in anything that can be imagined else it couldn't be imagined...could it, or couldn't it?

I'm afraid it is. You can believe in anything you want. It's really none of your business why others don't equate imagination with reality.

Dontaskme wrote: The human will tend to have no belief in what they can't see only what they can see.

Yes, it's infuriating how some people refuse to see what's not there.

And I do believe in anything that can be imagined else it couldn't be imagined...could it, or couldn't it?

Somebody really does need to sit you down and have a brutally frank conversation with you.

Harbal wrote: Somebody really does need to sit you down and have a brutally frank conversation with you.

What would we talk about .. Narcissism?

Look, you don't have to get all narky just because life has not yet evolved in you the wisdom to know that identification with the image you see in the mirror is not who you really are.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: I'm afraid it is. You can believe in anything you want. It's really none of your business why others don't equate imagination with reality.

Well your right there, it's none of my business what other imagined others imagine or don't.

Who's business is it anyway? or did you just make-up the idea that business actually belongs to someone?

Dontaskme wrote: identification with the image you see in the mirror is not who you really are.

It's not that I don't want to believe that...