Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Your response has nothing to do with my post.
The reason my response has nothing to do with your post is because your response to my thread topic had nothing to do with the thread topic.
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
I am Hobbes' Choice. But not only HC, I am also CW; a son (now orphaned); a husband (now separated); a Partner (happily); A father. I am what I do, and I am what I think.
You are the I as the reference point, the witness of all that is appearing to you, and this I has no beginning nor ending and is the same I in everyone else..that is without doubt or error....however, what comes after the I....as in I am my name, my body, a husband, a partner, a father etc...those things that come after the I are fictional thoughts arising in the I inseparable from the I, what ever arises in you the I are transient things that come and go. You the I are the witness of each coming and going.
So you can't be your thoughts that come and go, because you are always present, as the unmoving unchanging witness of those thoughts. Notice you never change as you witness your thoughts of being a baby, a child, a teenager, an adult, an old man, etc...notice that the witness aka awareness of all those stages never changes. That never changing I is the only true reality that exists for real...everything else is a transient fictional appearance in that.
If the I wasn't already available, there would be no knowing of any thought or thing whatsoever, nothing would arise. That I is the only knower of truth that stands totally alone one without a second and is prior to any thing that comes after it claiming it is the knower of truth...for what ever claims it has no reality because it is already appearing within this already one true reality that is totally nondivisive and all pervading.
If you want absolute verification of what I'm saying you can find it either in yourself right here and now, or read it in the Upanishads, that were written sometime during the period from 1400BC to 800BC..it's not an old truth, it's a timeless truth, appearing here for the very first time each time it is discovered by itself aka you.
Hobbes' Choice wrote:I have been born, so NO i'm not unborn. I was born in time and exist in time, and shall end in time; so NOT timeless. I am clearly not a 'oneness" whatever that is, but am different things to different people. When I am a teacher I act as a teacher, when I am an artist I act as an artist.
I do not consider any of this to be a dream, and contend that calling it a dream is an abuse of language.
The I aka you isn't born and cannot die. Only the mind aka the object is born not you. Although it does appear like the subject aka the I aka you which cannot be known by what it knows, is taking the object known to be the subject simply because there is nothing else available that it can grasp hold of... So the subject mistakes the object to be who it is, and completely mis -identifies with it's true nature which is the subject in which the object arises... the part of itself that allows the transient thought /object to be in the first place. Or in other words, it forgets about the screen of awareness in which the dream manifests.
So what purpose or function does object aka the body have then you might ask?.
Well, The I aka you without an object cannot do anything without an action hero to perform it's deeds, so the body is the engine for the subjective I who is the engineer. Here we see, the body can't do anything without the engineer, aka the I..and I can't do anything without the engine..here it is realised that they are in fact one whole, and not separate. There simply is no witness here and that which is witnessed over there, they are inseparable one.
This I is the engineer to all bodies alike, it is the everything in fact. It's everything and no thing.The body is a machine, machines don't have consciousness, consciousness is that which is prior to the body, it's that in which the body arises, it's the driver of the body. Consciousness has no beginning nor ending. That which didn't exist in the beginning and doesn't exist in the end, can't exist in the middle. So there's no separate person or thing born here.
If you think you are a separate being that has been born, then where were you before you were born, where will you be after you've died?
Did you ever witness your own birth? ..the answer is no, but then you will say my mother witnessed my birth...and there we go again...a mother cannot be the witness, the witness was the consciousness of the mother, the mother is an object of that consciousness, some thing to be aware of, while the things in and of themselves aka objects have no consciousness or awareness. Consciousness awareness is that in which all objects aka dreams appear as consciousness itself, because both consciousness and it's contents are the same one true reality.
Hope this makes no sense to you.
As for abusing language. No thing can abuse language except the language itself which is just an imaginary thing abusing itself. Language has no reality, language is made from the same stuff it appears in, namely, empty space.