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Lying to deceive another and save a life is good. Lying to defend oneself to kill another is wrong.Beauty wrote:Lying to deceive others is wrong, lying to defend oneself is not, I believe. However, if a way could be found as to not have to lie at all, that would be the best I believe.
Actually lying does not have to involve spoken langauge. Chimps are masters of deceit.creativesoul wrote:The OP is working from a false presupposition. Every example of lying involves a deliberate misrepresentation of what the speaker thinks/believes. Doing that requires language. Since it is the case that lying requires language, it cannot be the case that language was invented as a means to lie.
I wouldn't equate deceitfulness with lying.Hobbes' Choice wrote:Actually lying does not have to involve spoken langauge. Chimps are masters of deceit.creativesoul wrote:The OP is working from a false presupposition. Every example of lying involves a deliberate misrepresentation of what the speaker thinks/believes. Doing that requires language. Since it is the case that lying requires language, it cannot be the case that language was invented as a means to lie.
Is this a lie?Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Think I see where our paths diverge...I consider ANY thought; ANY spoken word to be an estrangement of reality.
Thus, we lie whenever we speak.
And this?Human beings cannot tell the truth.
Odd because every person I've ever met would associate the two and assert that lying entails deceit.creativesoul wrote:I wouldn't equate deceitfulness with lying.Hobbes' Choice wrote:Actually lying does not have to involve spoken langauge. Chimps are masters of deceit.creativesoul wrote:The OP is working from a false presupposition. Every example of lying involves a deliberate misrepresentation of what the speaker thinks/believes. Doing that requires language. Since it is the case that lying requires language, it cannot be the case that language was invented as a means to lie.
I think you might want to brush up on your comprehension skills billy boy.Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
So, it's not a lie unless you say it's a lie...
...pretty fucked-up...
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So this is a lie then?Bill Wiltrack wrote:.Yes. They are ALL lies...
...kind-a just went over that..
.... and FARTS.Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
YES. As my definition!
All words; ALL thoughts are an estrangement of reality. [presses lips, squints eyes, breathes out...]
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So you're lying about this then?Bill Wiltrack wrote:.YES. As my definition!
All words; ALL thoughts are an estrangement of reality. [presses lips, squints eyes, breathes out...].