Is it a re-print of Origins or the Decent of Man ?
Maybe you are just making it up as you go along
Ummm, let me think. It has to be the Decent Man.
Is it a re-print of Origins or the Decent of Man ?
Maybe you are just making it up as you go along
Chaz;chaz wyman wrote:It has everything to do with gender roles. It's called culture, and we get all out concepts of gender, and normative instructions from our culture. If we got them from our genes then we would all act the same, like squirrels - WE DON"T.
I am not a "beleiver" in Darwin or evolution - it is not a religion.
Reasonvemotion;reasonvemotion wrote:The lie (emotional) that men are powerful and women are weak.
Weak is another word for the meaning powerless, which you have refuted in the case of women.
How else would one interpret this? Are you not suggesting that women are the stronger sex.
Felasco;Felasco wrote:
You and I are acting just like male squirrels right now. We're competing, battling, testing each other's strength etc. Except that we aren't as bright as squirrels, because neither of us are going to get laid, no matter who wins this competitive squabble fest.
Baby boys are taught stoicism, "dont be a cry baby, be a man" and baby girls are taught to ask for help or when they can't cope when they are older, to say "I cant cope, I need help". This attitude from early childhood and through, tells a man his well being is not important while preparing him for the day (as you yourself said in an earlier post) when he has to fix a bayonet to a rifle, charge a hill under fire, once again reinforcing and teaching him of his own disposability. What this teaches a man is to put woman's needs before all else. This is essentially female self interest. There is a serious imbalance in society.Let me clarify. Men are not more powerful than women. Women are not more powerful than men. To ask which is more powerful is a foolish question as both are powerless, and dead, without the other.
This is the heart of the issue of pornography and it is interesting and disturbing together. Men don't get women's admiration any more, so they are more frequently fleeing to a impersonal outlet over a "real" outlet. The problem I see and have tried to express is, it is not a moral issue, but an issue of the fact that men's desires do not matter today.This thread is about internet porn, a perfect example of a longstanding natural order trying to re-establish itself. Recent culture has decided men should be something other than the classic male gender role, and so men in great numbers are migrating to an environment where they can still be men, at least inside of their heads.
reasonvemotion wrote:Baby boys are taught stoicism, "dont be a cry baby, be a man"Let me clarify. Men are not more powerful than women. Women are not more powerful than men. To ask which is more powerful is a foolish question as both are powerless, and dead, without the other.
I have never noted that this is true, so have no idea of it's worth as a concept, or its relevance to this point.reasonvemotion wrote:and baby girls are taught to ask for help or when they can't cope when they are older, to say "I cant cope, I need help".
I don't see the logic in your argument. Going from "don't cry", to war, to making him believe he is disposable does not follow logically in my mind. Most young men go off to war thinking themselves noble and almost immortal, having no clue of the real consequences. It is the older men, who realize that the young man is disposable.reasonvemotion wrote:This attitude from early childhood and through, tells a man his well being is not important while preparing him for the day (as you yourself said in an earlier post) when he has to fix a bayonet to a rifle, charge a hill under fire, once again reinforcing and teaching him of his own disposability.
There is no logic here that I can follow. You will have to explain this.reasonvemotion wrote:What this teaches a man is to put woman's needs before all else. This is essentially female self interest.
Yes. But it is not because boys don't cry or because girls might ask for help.reasonvemotion wrote:There is a serious imbalance in society.
I agree, but neither do women's. If a woman chooses to stay home, raise a bunch of kids, and let her husband run the world, she is looked down upon. Her husband goes to work and deals with her counterpart, the beautiful, well dressed, business woman--who looks like she has it all. Now the business woman might give hubby a fling, but she will never be committed to him. She is in a world of competition, so she has no time for hubbys, or children. In her thirties, she might have a child, but wants no husband, so the child will be raised by strangers--and everybody is isolated.reasonvemotion wrote:This is the heart of the issue of pornography and it is interesting and disturbing together. Men don't get women's admiration any more, so they are more frequently fleeing to a impersonal outlet over a "real" outlet. The problem I see and have tried to express is, it is not a moral issue, but an issue of the fact that men's desires do not matter today.This thread is about internet porn, a perfect example of a longstanding natural order trying to re-establish itself. Recent culture has decided men should be something other than the classic male gender role, and so men in great numbers are migrating to an environment where they can still be men, at least inside of their heads.
Yes, change is usually both interesting and disturbing. We should probably get used to it, as change is likely to accelerate.This is the heart of the issue of pornography and it is interesting and disturbing together.
What I've been trying to discuss is that the boundary between real and unreal will become increasingly blurry. It's happening already.Men don't get women's admiration any more, so they are more frequently fleeing to a impersonal outlet over a "real" outlet.
Reasonvemotion;reasonvemotion wrote:Baby boys are taught stoicism, "dont be a cry baby, be a man" and baby girls are taught to ask for help or when they can't cope when they are older, to say "I cant cope, I need help".Let me clarify. Men are not more powerful than women. Women are not more powerful than men. To ask which is more powerful is a foolish question as both are powerless, and dead, without the other.
Hi Felasco;Felasco wrote:What I've been trying to discuss is that the boundary between real and unreal will become increasingly blurry. It's happening already.
Imagine a room in your house where you can experience anything you want. If you want to spend the day exploring the surface of Mars, while having sex with three Albanian lesbian blondes who are seven feet tall, just click here.
Anything you want. Coming soon.
I like the comparison to this forum, as it illustrates how we are already engaged in the virtual process.In many of your posts, you have compared internet pornography to the Matrix, to wealthy people who can have whatever they want, and to sultans, lords, and kings.
I see society working like it does now, except the entertainment devices offer a much more accurate simulation of the real world. So as example, instead of the hot blonde appearing on a flat two dimensional screen as she does today, sooner or later she will appear to be sitting in your lap.So how do you propose to maintain our reality? Who will plant the corn? pick up the garbage? run the businesses? make the clothes? etc., etc., etc.
For every 1,000 hits on a philosophy forum there are 240,000 hits on pornography.Some guys want to have sex with hot blondes, but they don't know enough hot blondes in the real world, so they seek the experience in the virtual world. Some nerds want to have philosophical blowharding with other nerds, but they don't know enough nerds in the real world, so they seek the experience in the virtual world.
................ Millions of porn users have gotten past the fact that they're not actually having real world sex with real world people. The simulation is convincing enough.
Pretty good guess! Here's how to get the real numbers.For every 1,000 hits on a philosophy forum there are 240,000 hits on pornography.
This seems rather a sweeping statement.Pornography is not going to improve your sexual relationships.
I'm not arguing for or against porn, in the same way that it I wouldn't argue for or against the weather.I don't dispute there is a place for pornography, as Felasco believes.
The point you seem to want to make in this thread is based upon the current pretty clear dividing line between the real world and the virtual world. The virtual world is on the screen, and the real world is everything else, simple.You chat, you flirt, the woman holds nothing back, you are in control, no need to cajole, it is unbelievably licentious and dissipated and orgasms are wild and powerful. Turn off the web cam, shut down the computer. Feeling is believing.....touch.
Wrong. You figures suggest that there are 45 times more searches on one phrase over another. The number does not compare "porn" and "philosophy". The real difference is probably in the millions.Felasco wrote:Pretty good guess! Here's how to get the real numbers.For every 1,000 hits on a philosophy forum there are 240,000 hits on pornography.
Google keeps track of how many searches there are for the phrases people type in to it's search engine. You can find the data here. https://adwords.google.com
Here are the number of monthly searches for porn forum and philosophy forum.
porn forum.................. 673,000
philosophy forum.......... 14,800
So, porn is approximately 45 times more popular than philosophy, according to this metric.