Re: This is how AI "Sees" our world:
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2024 1:52 pm
Then you need to choose your words more carefully because the bolded part above indicates that you believe that the robot has a sensation but not the same sensation as a human. I already showed how you can have different sensations of the same state of affairs.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:43 pmNO I AM NOT!!Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:00 pmI don't know about the same sensation, but you seem to be agreeing that it receives a sensation,attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:51 pm
NO IT DOESN'T - put your hand into a fire and put a keyboard into a fire (or since u r so wrong, a robot hand) - do you think you will receive the same sensation as the AI/robot?
Cambridge DIctionary:-
Sentience: the quality of being able to experience feelings
I already asked you what you mean by "sensing" and you still have not answered the question. If the computer is responding to your input, is it not sensing the input? The world is analog and your brain converts the analog signal into discreet digital chunks to work with, hence the processes of the world become objects of thought. You have yet to establish any real distinction between humans and AI when it comes to mind.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:43 pmNO!!! A computer has NO way of seeing, hearing and feeling. It has electronic devices that convert analogue reality into binary for analysis using algorithms. It's all COLD LOGIC - nothing is sensed by a computer in any way shape or form equivalent to human sentient sensory perception.Trajk Logik wrote: just not the same one - that is if it were programmed to respond to damage to it's body. You don't seem to be remembering what I have said before. It's not just a difference in body shape (a desktop computer vs a humanoid robot), but a difference in inputs and outputs and its programming. Does a robot have cameras to see and microphones to hear, and tactile pressure pads to feel?
So you say, but you haven't established why it is unique. You just keep saying stuff and can't answer the questions to support your hypothesis. Your winding yourself up by using terms that you cannot explain or define and when asked to do so, you get your panties tied in a knot.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:43 pm..are you winding me up or wot? You are underestimating in a massive way how amazing and unique sentience is.Trajk Logik wrote:What is a sensation, or a feeling, if not information about the state of your body relative to the state of your immediate environment? Your sensations and feelings inform you. The robot would be informed that its body is being damaged and will produce a valid, programmed response, no different than your programmed response, programmed by natural selection over millions of years.
And your brain is just a complex arrangement of neurons. You're forgetting a key piece of the argument I am making. AI possesses memory and mind is just a type of working memory. Your mind is your working memory. You store information and use it to produce valid behaviors. This is why you are able to read a whole paragraph and remember the beginning of the paragraph when you reach the end of it. AI takes your entire question as a whole and answers it. Try that with a tractor.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:43 pmA.I. does NOT have a mind, does NOT have imaginings any more than a tractor does. It's a cold logic machine of a complex arrangement of SWITCHES - just like a light switch on your wall.Trajk Logik wrote:What are wishes and desires but a goal in the mind? Wishes and desires are simply imaginings if there is no process to attain the goal. Imagination is what helps humans think of new ideas, but they can often have no application in the real world, or no possible means of attaining them currently. Imagining is simply taking two or more things you do know and blending them together in unique ways. We could program a computer to do the same thing and then try to apply what it imagines in the real world to see what works, the same way humans do. But you have to have prior knowledge of something to be able to imagine something else. You had to have prior experiences to be able to imagine a new experience as imagined experiences are just an amalgam of prior ones.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:51 pm NOTE: A.I. does not have a wish or a desire - it is just a machine of switches.
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Blah blah blah blah blah. You keep repeating yourself but can't back it up when questioned, or even define the words you are using.attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:43 pmNO. A computer has NO sentience PERIOD!! - same as a tractor.Trajk Logik wrote:Your condescension does not falsify anything I have said. Yes, a computer does have more "sentience" than a tractor as a computer has a working memory full of information it is processing for a purpose, and a tractor does not.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 11:51 pm
OMG. You still think that a computer running an AI has more 'sentience' than a tractor!!
Your logik is tragic and unfortunately people of that mindset will one day be petitioning for robot rights!!