Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:33 pmWhat is it that you think I'm failing to take a stand on, henry?
In context: abortion.
You don't think a pregnant woman carries a person: fair enough.
You don't think a man ought tell a woman anything about what she does with her body: fair enough.
Even though you don't believe a pregnant woman carries a person, you wouldn't disagree with someone who does: fair enough.
Altogether, though: it amounts to a
go along to get along, go with the flow, don't rock the boat non-position.
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Walker wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:33 pmcivil rights.
Yeah, I see the problem between us. See, when I talk about morality I'm not talkin' about civil rights or legislation or things men craft in state houses. When I talk about morality I'm talkin' about a person havin' an inalienable claim to his, and no other's life, liberty, and property. In this context: a woman has an absolute right to do with herself as chooses, but, without *just cause, she has no right to do with another as she chooses becuz that other belongs to himself; his life, liberty, and property are inalienably his (even if he's in her womb), not hers.
To take a person's life (in the womb or out) without *just cause is murder, in a sense it's the ultimate theft, and this stands as fact no matter what a legislature or judiciary has to say on the subject.
Life, liberty, and property (and a person's right to his and no other's)
do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.
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Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:37 pmWomen don't need men telling them anything.
Apparently, according to you, women, not a one, had any sense that mebbe aborting was offing a person, or does this...
I doubt that it was considered murder until men and religion got involved.
...have some arcane, alternate meaning?
Considering there are many ways to view life and nature, do you think that a person is only moral if they think as you do?
The legit basis for morality I lay out just above in my response to Walker. Practically it means it's wrong to kill without *just cause, wrong to steal, wrong to rape, wrong to slave, wrong to coerce, wrong to defraud, wrong to abuse. That's my morality. I reckon it's yours too.
*self-defense, defense of another