Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm
Skip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:04 pmColonism. Yes, indeed. Or at least anatomically close.
I spelt it that way since that's how Frantz Fanon often spelt it.
What's quite obvious is that 3rd World countries can't manage the developing societies colonism left them. Colonization advanced many countries out of the literal stone age,
What was wrong with the stone age?
What would you do if a people's from another place/planet came and colonized your currently obvious very primitive western ways? Their colonization advancing all western countries out of the literally greedy, pollution-riddled, war-torn ways that you live now?
How would you feel and what would you do if to make this advancement they had to burn your buildings down, kill your people, and take some as hostages to show/teach you what is the "right way"? What if you were one of the ones taken, not allowed to speak your language and live your ways, and also you are used as a slave to build up their empire? Would you just accept that and go with it, or would you somewhat resist?
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pmor perhaps monarchical feudalism in a couple centuries but the psychology and cognitive structures to support a modern society take thousands of years to form. The people of 3rd World countries don't deserve the countries they have now ruined.
Have you even considered it is western ways that has caused those countries to become a so called 3rd world? You do realize that because of currently held human learned ways not every country and every person can be on an equal level. By definition there can not be empires and colonization without the less fortunate. With the love of obtaining more money being the biggest desire over any thing else, which is more or less what "western" ways is all about, then there can never be a level playing field, and so 2nd and 3rd world countries will have to exist. You can not have servants, slaves, and laborers to the rich and wealthy without the downtrodden and ridiculed. "Colonizing" others is one way of obtaining slaves.
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm I agree with Gilley and have thought so for some time that at minimum police and judiciaries need to be turned over to impartial foreign judges and trainers.
By definition a "foreign" person can only have a partial view and perspective. A "foreign" person by definition does NOT know ALL of the customs and cultures of a non-foreign person, and so they can NOT be impartial. A foreign "judge" and "trainer" also is totally biased, especially when seeing that person as a foreigner or other, and thus would only be imparting their own customs and cultures, which are obviously already a truly distorted perspective of the real and true proper view. The way you live for example, in a " western world" where killing human beings over pieces of paper with numbers written on them, or killing human beings because of skin color, or because they are "different", or are not liked is so foreign to Me that if I did not understand human beings completely and why they are the way they are, then I would never be able to understand them. The age human beings are living in at present is an age, in My eye, relatively terms way before any so called stone age. Human beings in so many ways are far more backwards now then they have ever been, and to think that they themselves know what the right thing is absolutely ludicrous at best, especially when there are human beings who think they can judge and talk the way that you are doing right here and now.
Your views of how the world should be is the very proof needed in order to know NOT what to follow.
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm Another point is his probably correct about is the damaging effect of disidentification against the West since it leaves no model of emulation, historically it seems to be imitation of higher prestige cultures that brings social transformation.
There is NO "west", so there is NO thing to identify. But I agree that some people perceive there is a "west". Explain to Me what west actually IS, so you can prove Me wrong in regards to there being NO west. If others accept and agree with your definition, then I will have to admit that I am wrong here.
If some people believe that others should imitate the so called perceived idea of the "west", then so help all people.
Social transformation, of your description, is NOT needed, (social transformation happens naturally anyway). Money is NOT needed. Religion is NOT needed. Colonization is NOT needed. ALL of the other so called "western higher prestige culture" is NOT needed at all also. In fact it IS because of the view that there is some sort of "higher prestige culture", with ALL of its distorted thinking like "We need money to live", "My religion is better than your religion", "We found/discovered this place", and any other absolutely stupid thinking of "western" society and views IS what causes ALL of the ills of the world. The earth was a much better place before the take over of other human beings places took place, or "colonization" as you might like to put it. To make the world a much healthier and better place to live will be done when human beings, like yourself, STOP thinking and believing that you are better than any other human being. The only difference between you and any other human being is that
you are different. You are NOT better, though.
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm de Maistre may be right, the reason societies don't develop on to civilization and on to the stars is because of bad habits, failed forms of social organization.
The very things you are talking about is NOT civilization at all. What you are talking about is greed, take over, judgement, and ridicule. The only star you are heading towards with this way of thinking is a slow, painful death star.
The reason the whole world has not developed and moved onto real civilization is because of the bad habits and deformations created by the social organization that you are supporting.
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm Civilization develops out of the jungle naturally unless in someway becoming deformed. 3rd World societies are those societies which have defective social habits and failed to develop into advanced civilizations.
Have you ever seen the amount of homeless, drunk, drug addicted, gambling, poor, hungry, mentally unhealthy, angry, and depressed people there actually are in the so called "western advanced civilizations? The word "western" is incorrect but the word "civilization" is so far from the truth that this has become ludicrously laughable. The only deformation that has occurred is the one that has been caused by greed, power, and take overs.
Seleucus wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:30 pm So, Gilley's projections about the number of centuries it will take Bangladesh, for example, to reach an advanced stage of development are probably just wrong since it will simply just never happen due to the defectiveness of the building materials so to speak. Either way, a very fascinating article.
When a so called "leader" of a so called "civilized country" comes to power, and then threatens to wipe another country off the map, then that is when defectiveness has shown its real face and has come to the forefront.
The article may well be fascinating, I did not read it, but your projection of it is truly
fascinating in of itself. I have always found the blindness shown by people's beliefs, such as yours, to be very intriguing. Thanks for your amusing and laughable insights.