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Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 2:58 pm
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There's nothing funny about you.
Fortunately, you are only taken serious by the ones who are too stupid to do any harm.
Even though you portray yourself as 'tolerant and reasonable', the fact that you refer to 'the rest of the world' is very telling. You are still American to the core, and that is the American attitude in a nutshell. There is America, and then there is this vague entity called 'the rest of the world'. The US used to mind its own business, until oil came into the equation. Then greed and money worship took over.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 8:46 pmIt's not our obligation to carry the rest of the world or to tell them what to do. Let them do what they want. We're nobody's boss and we're not obligated to defend anyone else. We should probably just mind our own business and stop telling other countries what to do.bobevenson wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 12:43 pmJesus Christ, Gary, it may be rude and inconsiderate, but you know damn well I am speaking the honest-to-God truth! Why is it that just yesterday President Trump had to blast all the other NATO countries for not paying their fair share of defense? Why should America have to carry the whole fucking world on its back, huh?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 9:42 am
That is a rude and inconsiderate thing to say, Bob. As a prophet, I should think you ought to know better.
OK. Maybe I should have said, "it's not our business to tell other countries what to do?" Would that be a better way of making the same point?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 6:20 pmEven though you portray yourself as 'tolerant and reasonable', the fact that you refer to 'the rest of the world' is very telling. You are still American to the core, and that is the American attitude in a nutshell. There is America, and then there is this vague entity called 'the rest of the world'. The US used to mind its own business, until oil came into the equation. Then greed and money worship took over.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 8:46 pmIt's not our obligation to carry the rest of the world or to tell them what to do. Let them do what they want. We're nobody's boss and we're not obligated to defend anyone else. We should probably just mind our own business and stop telling other countries what to do.bobevenson wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 12:43 pm
Jesus Christ, Gary, it may be rude and inconsiderate, but you know damn well I am speaking the honest-to-God truth! Why is it that just yesterday President Trump had to blast all the other NATO countries for not paying their fair share of defense? Why should America have to carry the whole fucking world on its back, huh?
Too late.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 6:42 pmOK. Maybe I should have said, "it's not our business to tell other countries what to do?" Would that be a better way of making the same point?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 6:20 pmEven though you portray yourself as 'tolerant and reasonable', the fact that you refer to 'the rest of the world' is very telling. You are still American to the core, and that is the American attitude in a nutshell. There is America, and then there is this vague entity called 'the rest of the world'. The US used to mind its own business, until oil came into the equation. Then greed and money worship took over.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 8:46 pm
It's not our obligation to carry the rest of the world or to tell them what to do. Let them do what they want. We're nobody's boss and we're not obligated to defend anyone else. We should probably just mind our own business and stop telling other countries what to do.
Funny the same can be said about England who used to mind its own business before seeking to be a world power through the UK system. And I bet that England has many that are still English to the core.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2017 6:20 pmEven though you portray yourself as 'tolerant and reasonable', the fact that you refer to 'the rest of the world' is very telling. You are still American to the core, and that is the American attitude in a nutshell. There is America, and then there is this vague entity called 'the rest of the world'. The US used to mind its own business, until oil came into the equation. Then greed and money worship took over.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 8:46 pmIt's not our obligation to carry the rest of the world or to tell them what to do. Let them do what they want. We're nobody's boss and we're not obligated to defend anyone else. We should probably just mind our own business and stop telling other countries what to do.bobevenson wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2017 12:43 pm
Jesus Christ, Gary, it may be rude and inconsiderate, but you know damn well I am speaking the honest-to-God truth! Why is it that just yesterday President Trump had to blast all the other NATO countries for not paying their fair share of defense? Why should America have to carry the whole fucking world on its back, huh?
Good grief.
" War" is a word that we need to define. In past times war was a situation of hostilities between peoples and most people concerned knew who and where the enemies were. The enemies were based upon their own soil, and this applied to civil war too.tbieter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2017 1:57 pmIs Britain at war with radical Islamic terrorism? Is it reasonable, based upon his public words and actions, to contend that Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber, acted as an Islamic terrorist? Under a war policy of pre-emptive defense, shouldn't Abedi have been killed before he could kill? Does Britain need death squads in this war?
Well the main reason was that you thought it in your national interest to have the clout to say how things were going to be with NATO.bobevenson wrote:Why should America have to carry the whole fucking world on its back, huh?
Completely agree with almost everything above. Well said.Belinda wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2017 9:53 am" War" is a word that we need to define. In past times war was a situation of hostilities between peoples and most people concerned knew who and where the enemies were. The enemies were based upon their own soil, and this applied to civil war too.tbieter wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2017 1:57 pmIs Britain at war with radical Islamic terrorism? Is it reasonable, based upon his public words and actions, to contend that Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber, acted as an Islamic terrorist? Under a war policy of pre-emptive defense, shouldn't Abedi have been killed before he could kill? Does Britain need death squads in this war?
Then " war" became fought not upon Americs'a own soil, but in foreign lands far away from America.
Now some are calling the ISIS troubles " war". This is not good as the ISIS hostilities are sporadic and more secret than all hostilities that have been customary, and so it's not true to describe the hostility with ISIS as war. The situation cannot be solved by conventional methods but the solution depends upon knowing who the enemy is. Knowing who the enemy is is crucial.
To call the search for facts about the enemy "war" does nothing but stir up hatred against peaceful non -combatants.
You would have to first define the 'we'. You would have to spend a good deal of time on this.Science Fan wrote:I'm not sure what it even means to voice the opinion that "we are at war with Islam." What would it mean to "win" such a "war"? Would every Muslim who is alive have to be killed in order for us to win such a war? Would we have to force every Muslim to convert to another religion or abandon religion entirely? Would we have to ban anyone from speaking out on behalf of Islam; and, therefore, ban freedom of speech in order to win such a war? Would we need to burn every single copy of the Koran and Hadith collections? Is it a war against ideas that make up Islam, or against people who identify themselves as Muslims, or both? The fact that there is no clearly defined victory for a "war against Islam" that does not include either mass genocide against millions of innocents or the denial of basic civil liberty to millions of innocents makes me skeptical regarding the claim that we are at war with all of Islam.