Re: The Objective Realm
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:52 pm
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Right you are, Wiz.
We know about it because our bodies and brains, which were used to create our minds/souls, are equipped with "windows," so to speak, that allow our five senses...
You're a thinker, Iwanna. The masses are not. The masses are followers. So, the better question is, will you be a leader?Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:41 pmWell, not me. I'm not in that we. And I don't think other people have to either. That they will, that's another story. They may think they have to. But they kinda don't have to. And there's no need to encourage them or us to think we have to.
I am not suggesting philosophy either. Generally one needs some reasoning in there, along with whatever values, desires, goals you have.Because the majority humans in the world, don't want to think and contemplate for 50 years about the course of actions of life, unlike Philosophers who enjoy to do so. Thus the masses find their wisdom in their Churches, Elders, their Kin and ancestors who came before them.
99.9% of Politics is Subjective, not Objective.commonsense wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:42 pmBut I am still curious what your response is to the content of my post.
How is that wrong though?
I do my best, and obviously not here. This is stress relief and sort of like crossword puzzles. There's always the hope that I will learn how people get stuck in their thinking or about what holds people's idea together even when they don't make any sense. It's not just a game for me. I do learn about the way others think and manage not to and this teaches me also about myself. But any leadership, that's happening in my life face to face with people.
And you?Or just waste a lifetime of thought?
The problems that developed from Protestantism, to this day, is that the lower classes of society are still illiterate despite proliferation of access of knowledge, NOW more than ever before.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:28 pmThe Reformation opened up the human mind. What followed was the ENlightenment, science progress, and secular politics which gave us everything we have today.
So no - not any kind of mistake.
What Protestants did was to actually read the fucking bible to find out what was in it; tranlating it into several langauges.
Catholics were prevernted from that and had to rely on the priests how read in Latin.
DO you know enough Latin the read a book?
No?
I'm not surprised.
So, nah one of the best things that ever happend.
I've led before...and I'll lead again.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:12 amI do my best, and obviously not here. This is stress relief and sort of like crossword puzzles. There's always the hope that I will learn how people get stuck in their thinking or about what holds people's idea together even when they don't make any sense. It's not just a game for me. I do learn about the way others think and manage not to and this teaches me also about myself. But any leadership, that's happening in my life face to face with people.
And you?Or just waste a lifetime of thought?
Right onImpenitent wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:54 pm some religions tell you what you can do...
every government tells you what you must do under threat of punishment
-Imp
Go on...Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:35 am Knowledge is justified belief sufficient for a given use case. It is always perspective bound and never approaches objective (which implies exhaustive), except in the case of logic which is relationships that always replicate, such as the laws of physics. But this is meta-epistemology, not metaphysics.
Always Hypothetically... Objectivity is the wall of human knowledge, awareness, and consciousness. Trying to approach the wall, only expands it away.
You helped my main point though. It is about peer pressure. And there's lots of Christians-Jews-Muslims in the world... or politically, there's a lot of Democrats-Republicans in the country...LuckyR wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:07 pmUummm... not quite. You are correct that science analyzes situations but does not draw conclusions whereas religion has conclusions in the absence of analysis (dogma). However when each individual human subjectively decides on their personal moral code they each use their own personal blend of dogma, psychological tendances, observations (including scientific analysis) and peer pressure. Thus neither has a uniform advantage, that is some weight dogma more, other weight their observations/life experience more (which can include science).
Philosophically;promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:17 am A very simple thought experiment that immediately presents a problem with this stuff about reality not being mind-independent.
If two people and only two people are hanging out and one of em falls over dead, the other guy should stop existing becuz the guy who was perceiving him (making him exist) is now dead.
The only way to solve this one is to insert a third party observer (god) like Berkeley did. And u don't wanna do that do ya, VA?
I'm aware of most of what you posted. I'll go more into detail and the nitty-gritty, a little later, I'm out of time at the moment.
That is NOT caused by Protestants.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:14 amThe problems that developed from Protestantism, to this day, is that the lower classes of society are still illiterate despite proliferation of access of knowledge, NOW more than ever before.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 5:28 pmThe Reformation opened up the human mind. What followed was the ENlightenment, science progress, and secular politics which gave us everything we have today.
So no - not any kind of mistake.
What Protestants did was to actually read the fucking bible to find out what was in it; tranlating it into several langauges.
Catholics were prevernted from that and had to rely on the priests how read in Latin.
DO you know enough Latin the read a book?
No?
I'm not surprised.
So, nah one of the best things that ever happend.
Good luck with that fantasy you have just concocted.Protestants never learned the importance of 'Priestly' class mediators. A rural farmhand, hill billy hick, is unfit to deconstruct Theology.
Duh - whatever dude
It's a matter of mis-interpretation...applied to Morality, Politics, History, Culture, etc.