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Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:52 am Would you say you could be a pessimist similar to Schopenhauer?

I'd like to think I'm a realist. But as many people, as many opinions.

nemos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:02 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:52 am Would you say you could be a pessimist similar to Schopenhauer?

I'd like to think I'm a realist. But as many people, as many opinions.

Realists are pessimists in the core.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:06 am Realists are pessimists in the core.

Then drugs will be a pretty good antidote to pessimism?!

nemos wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:11 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:06 am Realists are pessimists in the core.

Then drugs will be a pretty good antidote to pessimism?!

Depends on how deep the pessimism was, and also type of pessimism too.
Not all pessimists are same. Not all realists are same.
Not all drugs are same.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:45 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:09 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:06 pm
Isn't death part of life? Because without life, there is no death.

Yes, there could not be death if there is no life but what this has to do with meaning?

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
If death is part of life, then it seems possible to define the meaning of life.

What is the meaning of life to you?

I am a seeker. Seeking for the meaning of life is the meaning of life for me.

So you admit that you don't know what is the meaning of life yet claim that the meaning of life for you is seeking it!?

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:04 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:45 am

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:09 pm
Yes, there could not be death if there is no life but what this has to do with meaning?


What is the meaning of life to you?

I am a seeker. Seeking for the meaning of life is the meaning of life for me.

So you admit that you don't know what is the meaning of life yet claim that the meaning of life for you is seeking it!?

Exactly. If I knew it, I wouldn't be seeking it, would I?
Isn't it a plain natural and logical statement?

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:31 am

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:04 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:45 am
I am a seeker. Seeking for the meaning of life is the meaning of life for me.

So you admit that you don't know what is the meaning of life yet claim that the meaning of life for you is seeking it!?

Exactly. If I knew it, I wouldn't be seeking it, would I?
Isn't it a plain natural and logical statement?

No, it is not a logical statement.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?
How do you define death, and meaning of life?

Do you think meaning relies on immortality?
Really?

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:33 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.

Yes, philosophy is a risky business.

Yes! The moral of this story is, if you want to live forever avoid philosophy like the plague.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:00 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:31 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
How do you define death

You can't.

So your definition of death is, a process that you cannot define?

Easy.
Dying is a process, death it not.
Death is nothing. Literally nothing.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:32 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:31 am

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:04 am
So you admit that you don't know what is the meaning of life yet claim that the meaning of life for you is seeking it!?

Exactly. If I knew it, I wouldn't be seeking it, would I?
Isn't it a plain natural and logical statement?

No, it is not a logical statement.

What is your logical statement on it?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:48 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?
How do you define death, and meaning of life?

Do you think meaning relies on immortality?
Really?

Is immortality even possible? Do you believe in it?

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:49 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:32 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:31 am
Exactly. If I knew it, I wouldn't be seeking it, would I?
Isn't it a plain natural and logical statement?

No, it is not a logical statement.

What is your logical statement on it?

You cannot have the meaning if you are seeking it.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:50 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:48 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm I realised almost all the authors of my philosophical books have died.
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?
How do you define death, and meaning of life?

Do you think meaning relies on immortality?
Really?

Is immortality even possible? Do you believe in it?

Nothing last forever.
BUT
You avoided the question.
Your opening post more than suggests that because people die, nothing means anything. THis imples that were there such a thing as immortality meaning would exist.

Can we start again?

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:27 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:49 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:32 am
No, it is not a logical statement.

What is your logical statement on it?

You cannot have the meaning if you are seeking it.

Because I don't have the meaning now, I am seeking it, until I do.
I thought this was a valid logical statement.