WHY are CHRISTIANS CHILD molesters?

[Skepdick]

Facts speak for themselves once they're posted. Either the statistics are wrong or they are not. That is your task, to explain the correlation or to show the data is wrong.

And what do these "facts" tell you? What is that needs explaining about correlations? What is it that you think you have learned when two variables correlate?

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If the world is such that Nicolas Cage film appearances correlate with drowning, then we sort of assume that it's "just correlation" because of Nicolas Cage's film appearances that drowning occurs. They seem completely unrelated, however, there is no proof we can cite that it is not true other than to say it's absurd to think Nicolas Cage's film appearances cause drowning. On the other hand, is it absurd to think that religion has some sort of non-coincidental relationship with pedophilia?

If Nicolas Cage movies were all incidences where Nicolas Cage threw himself into a lake to drown, and his movies correlated with people throwing themselves into lakes to drown, then we might take another look or think differently, however, there seems to be no possible connection between the two, at least to the best of our understanding of the world. What if there is a correlation between fathers who keep their guns in unlocked drawers next to their beds and children who accidentally shoot themselves? If that is/were the case, then should we say it's just correlation or should we suspect there might be some sort of causal link?

Hey man, I am just asking the question....

So what is it about Nicolas Cage film appearances that makes people drown themselves?

Hypotheses non fingo.

[Wizard22]

WHY are SCULPTORS WIFE beaters?

[Gary Childress]

And what do these "facts" tell you? What is that needs explaining about correlations? What is it that you think you have learned when two variables correlate?

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If the world is such that Nicolas Cage film appearances correlate with drowning, then we sort of assume that it's "just correlation" because of Nicolas Cage's film appearances that drowning occurs. They seem completely unrelated, however, there is no proof we can cite that it is not true other than to say it's absurd to think Nicolas Cage's film appearances cause drowning. On the other hand, is it absurd to think that religion has some sort of non-coincidental relationship with pedophilia?

If Nicolas Cage movies were all incidences where Nicolas Cage threw himself into a lake to drown, and his movies correlated with people throwing themselves into lakes to drown, then we might take another look or think differently, however, there seems to be no possible connection between the two, at least to the best of our understanding of the world. What if there is a correlation between fathers who keep their guns in unlocked drawers next to their beds and children who accidentally shoot themselves? If that is/were the case, then should we say it's just correlation or should we suspect there might be some sort of causal link?

Hey man, I am just asking the question....

So what is it about Nicolas Cage film appearances that makes people drown themselves?

Hypotheses non fingo.

I'm not framing a hypothesis either. So that makes two of us who are just asking a question of the other.

[Skepdick]

If the world is such that Nicolas Cage film appearances correlate with drowning, then we sort of assume that it's "just correlation" because of Nicolas Cage's film appearances that drowning occurs. They seem completely unrelated, however, there is no proof we can cite that it is not true other than to say it's absurd to think Nicolas Cage's film appearances cause drowning. On the other hand, is it absurd to think that religion has some sort of non-coincidental relationship with pedophilia?

If Nicolas Cage movies were all incidences where Nicolas Cage threw himself into a lake to drown, and his movies correlated with people throwing themselves into lakes to drown, then we might take another look or think differently, however, there seems to be no possible connection between the two, at least to the best of our understanding of the world. What if there is a correlation between fathers who keep their guns in unlocked drawers next to their beds and children who accidentally shoot themselves? If that is/were the case, then should we say it's just correlation or should we suspect there might be some sort of causal link?

Hey man, I am just asking the question....

So what is it about Nicolas Cage film appearances that makes people drown themselves?

Hypotheses non fingo.

I'm not framing a hypothesis either. So that makes two of us who are just asking a question of the other.

The joke... It's dead.

Hypothesis non fingo

I have not made any claim about causation.

Errr?!? Your question literally presupposes that some aspect of Christianity makes its practitioners child abusers.

So what is it about Christianity that makes its practicioners child abusers

[Gary Childress]

The joke... It's dead.

What joke? What is dead?

[Skepdick]

The joke... It's dead.

What joke? What is dead?

The joke. That the very questions being asked are already giving away the fact that the mind's made up.

[Gary Childress]

The joke... It's dead.

What joke? What is dead?

The joke. That the very questions being asked are already giving away the fact that the mind's made up.

Fair enough.

[Alexiev]

As usual, Sculptor, your bigotry goes hand in hand with your ignorance. In your OP, you ask, "

So what is it about Christianity that makes its practicioners child abusers?

Suppose, instead, you had discovered some statistics that wshowed that African Americans were convicte4d of child molestation more often than European Americans. Would you then ask, "What is it aboutnegroes that makes them child abusers"? Or would you assume that maybe (just maybe) shild abuse and race are not causally correlated?

THe link is in the OP. After years of trans and drag queens being blamed for sex crimes they have not committed. THis database was built to demonstrate "who is making the news" when it comes to child abuse in the USA. THese are date taken from new reports. As yet no drag queens have made the news, and only 1 trans person all year. The data are fully adjusted per capita.

As I said earlier, sex crimes are notoriously reported inaccurately. Suppose (as one possibility) that Godless Atheists abuse children just as frequently as Christians, but report the abuse far less frequently. Isn't that a possibility?

3) Conflation of "sex crimes". If Christians think any fornication is a horrid sin, they may conflate pedophelia with fornication. I'll bet liberal atheists fornicate more regularly than Conservative Christians (although both groups doubtless fail to trod the straight and narrow in that regard).

No we are talking about people CONVICTED with crimes severe enough to be reported in the media.
Nothing to do with forniction. Please follow the link.

As usual, you misunderstand my point. My point was that if all sex outside of marriage (fornication) is xconsidered sinful, perhaps pedophelia is considered sinful in a similar way. For those of us who don't find fornication sinful, this may seems silly. But it's a reasonable point.

now THAT is funny.
Possibly the dumbest thing I have read in a long time.

So what you are aying is that chistianity is having your cakes and eating it too. Hilarious.

Totally bonkers!

Getting caught with yout hand up the cassock has meant promotion in the RCC.

Your ridicule of my hypothetical is assinine. Suppose we could discover a gene or a brain function that is correlated to pedophelia (pedophelia refers to sexual attraction to children, child abuse is actual sex with children). Suppose we discovered that 2% of the general population had this prediliction. Suppose we further discovered that 10% of that 2% actually had sex with children.

Now suppose that we discovered that 30% of priests have the pedophelia prediliction, but only 5% of that 30% have sex with children. The results would be that 6% of priests are child abusers, as opposed to 0.2% of the general population. What can we conclude about Christianity causing child abuse from these statistics (which, I'll concede, are purely hypothetical)? Perhaps (although there might still be other factors involved) we could conclude that Christianity helps prevent child abuse.

I''ll grant that the child abuse scandal in the Catholic Church is horrific and bespeaks a culture of abuse and deception. That's obvious. What's less obvious is the correlation of Christianity in general and Catholicisim in particular to the abuse. Statistics about sex crimes are notoriously skewed by cultural norms, shame, and family pressure. In general, we should be cautious about what they mean.

[Sculptor]

As usual, Sculptor, your bigotry goes hand in hand with your ignorance. In your OP, you ask, "

So what is it about Christianity that makes its practicioners child abusers?

Suppose, instead, you had discovered some statistics that wshowed that African Americans were convicte4d of child molestation more often than European Americans. Would you then ask, "What is it aboutnegroes that makes them child abusers"? Or would you assume that maybe (just maybe) shild abuse and race are not causally correlated?

Go ahead!
Show yout stats

THe link is in the OP. After years of trans and drag queens being blamed for sex crimes they have not committed. THis database was built to demonstrate "who is making the news" when it comes to child abuse in the USA. THese are date taken from new reports. As yet no drag queens have made the news, and only 1 trans person all year. The data are fully adjusted per capita.

As I said earlier, sex crimes are notoriously reported inaccurately. Suppose (as one possibility) that Godless Atheists abuse children just as frequently as Christians, but report the abuse far less frequently. Isn't that a possibility?

So are you implying that Drag queens are abusing children and no one is reporting it??
That is hilarious.

3) Conflation of "sex crimes". If Christians think any fornication is a horrid sin, they may conflate pedophelia with fornication. I'll bet liberal atheists fornicate more regularly than Conservative Christians (although both groups doubtless fail to trod the straight and narrow in that regard).

Fornication is not abuse.
Please get your head on straight you are making a fool of yourself.

No we are talking about people CONVICTED with crimes severe enough to be reported in the media.
Nothing to do with forniction. Please follow the link.

As usual, you misunderstand my point. My point was that if all sex outside of marriage (fornication) is xconsidered sinful, perhaps pedophelia is considered sinful in a similar way. For those of us who don't find fornication sinful, this may seems silly. But it's a reasonable point.

now THAT is funny.
Possibly the dumbest thing I have read in a long time.

So what you are aying is that chistianity is having your cakes and eating it too. Hilarious.

Totally bonkers!

Getting caught with yout hand up the cassock has meant promotion in the RCC.

Your ridicule of my hypothetical is assinine. Suppose we could discover a gene or a brain function that is correlated to pedophelia (pedophelia refers to sexual attraction to children, child abuse is actual sex with children). Suppose we discovered that 2% of the general population had this prediliction. Suppose we further discovered that 10% of that 2% actually had sex with children.

Now suppose that we discovered that 30% of priests have the pedophelia prediliction, but only 5% of that 30% have sex with children. The results would be that 6% of priests are child abusers, as opposed to 0.2% of the general population. What can we conclude about Christianity causing child abuse from these statistics (which, I'll concede, are purely hypothetical)? Perhaps (although there might still be other factors involved) we could conclude that Christianity helps prevent child abuse.

I''ll grant that the child abuse scandal in the Catholic Church is horrific and bespeaks a culture of abuse and deception. That's obvious. What's less obvious is the correlation of Christianity in general and Catholicisim in particular to the abuse. Statistics about sex crimes are notoriously skewed by cultural norms, shame, and family pressure. In general, we should be cautious about what they mean.

You are in denial.
Get your head out of your arse.

[attofishpi]

You're being a fucking idiot. AGAIN, how are we to compare stats re "ATHEISTS" and child molestation?

Where do atheists register their atheism!!? Maybe everyone once caught kiddy fiddling should fill out a questionnaire as to their beliefs..ridiculous.

[Skepdick]

You're being a fucking idiot. AGAIN, how are we to compare stats re "ATHEISTS" and child molestation?

Where do atheists register their atheism!!? Maybe everyone once caught kiddy fiddling should fill out a questionnaire as to their beliefs..ridiculous.

Oh, that's pretty easy. If you aren't a registered theist then you must be an atheist.

[attofishpi]

This daft thread is easily smited.

WHY are CHRISTIANS CHILD molesters?

For the EXACT same reasons why ATHEISTS are child molesters.

[Sculptor]

This daft thread is easily smited.

WHY are CHRISTIANS CHILD molesters?

For the EXACT same reasons why ATHEISTS are child molesters.

Why are they so much more likley than atheists to be abusers?

[attofishpi]

This daft thread is easily smited.

WHY are CHRISTIANS CHILD molesters?

For the EXACT same reasons why ATHEISTS are child molesters.

Why are they so much more likley than atheists to be abusers?

How can anyone make a statistical comparison!!? That's my point - theists are highlighted as 'theists' by their attendance to churches, and religious schools etc..(and btw that's not even accurate as to their ACTUAL belief)
How can anyone get statistics on ATHEISTS?

[Gary Childress]

George Bush and his idiot son were self-professed "Christians". They've done more wreckage to this world together than ALL Atheists combined.