Mechanism for free will I don't see anyone has proposed

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[bahman]

Free will is not reducible to anything else. It is the ability of the mind, together with the ability to experience and cause. It is basic. Therefore, there is no mechanism for it.

[henry quirk]

Free will is not reducible to anything else. It is the ability of the mind, together with the ability to experience and cause. It is basic. Therefore, there is no mechanism for it.

[Sculptor]

Free will is not reducible to anything else. It is the ability of the mind, together with the ability to experience and cause. It is basic. Therefore, there is no mechanism for it.

Self defeating

[Sculptor]

liar

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liar

HA!

[bahman]

Free will is not reducible to anything else. It is the ability of the mind, together with the ability to experience and cause. It is basic. Therefore, there is no mechanism for it.

So eventually one person in this forum agrees with another one!

[bahman]

Free will is not reducible to anything else. It is the ability of the mind, together with the ability to experience and cause. It is basic. Therefore, there is no mechanism for it.

Self defeating

How?

[Sculptor]

Free will is not reducible to anything else. It is the ability of the mind, together with the ability to experience and cause. It is basic. Therefore, there is no mechanism for it.

Self defeating

How?

Experience is a cause, and has mechanism. Everything you experience involves the movement of matter and energy.
You are making a bold and unfounded assertion in which you are placing yourself outside of the laws of nature.
It's idiotic. A fantasy invented by the religious and the legal profession as they are too irrational to make a decent argument for punishments.

[henry quirk]

"Experience is a cause"

No, experience is information and, at best, an influence.

[henry quirk]

Free will is not reducible to anything else. It is the ability of the mind, together with the ability to experience and cause. It is basic. Therefore, there is no mechanism for it.

So eventually one person in this forum agrees with another one!

It happens from time to time...

[bahman]

Self defeating

How?

Experience is a cause, and has mechanism. Everything you experience involves the movement of matter and energy.
You are making a bold and unfounded assertion in which you are placing yourself outside of the laws of nature.
It's idiotic. A fantasy invented by the religious and the legal profession as they are too irrational to make a decent argument for punishments.

So, matter moves and suddenly we have experience. Isn't that magic?

[Sculptor]

How?

Experience is a cause, and has mechanism. Everything you experience involves the movement of matter and energy.
You are making a bold and unfounded assertion in which you are placing yourself outside of the laws of nature.
It's idiotic. A fantasy invented by the religious and the legal profession as they are too irrational to make a decent argument for punishments.

So, matter moves and suddenly we have experience. Isn't that magic?

According to you, yes, humans are all magical creatures who can act in spite of themselves outside the laws of nature.
So that no matter what their life has been, their education, their situation, their needs, desires and wants, they can magically ignore all that and randomly pick a course of action out of thin air like taking a rabbit from a hat.

What I am trying to tell you is that the rabbit was already in the hat.

[bahman]

Experience is a cause, and has mechanism. Everything you experience involves the movement of matter and energy.
You are making a bold and unfounded assertion in which you are placing yourself outside of the laws of nature.
It's idiotic. A fantasy invented by the religious and the legal profession as they are too irrational to make a decent argument for punishments.

So, matter moves and suddenly we have experience. Isn't that magic?

According to you, yes, humans are all magical creatures who can act in spite of themselves outside the laws of nature.
So that no matter what their life has been, their education, their situation, their needs, desires and wants, they can magically ignore all that and randomly pick a course of action out of thin air like taking a rabbit from a hat.

What I am trying to tell you is that the rabbit was already in the hat.

That is your reality. In my point of view, the experience is a property of mind. In yours, it emerges from motion of matter. I have an argument against emergence. I have an argument in necessity of mind.