Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:44 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:30 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:23 pm
Not from anything I've said, and not from anything Genesis says. But I don't doubt that you are keen on that "conclusion." It's so much more convenient than the truth.
It is quite logical if you think about it: She wouldn't eat the fruit if she was sure that she would die so the opposite is true, namely she was sure that she wouldn't die if she ate the fruit. That was what Serpent said which was a lie so she was fooled.
If one person tells you the truth, and one tells you a lie, are you fooled?
Obviously not if you already know which one is 'a lie' and which one is 'the truth'.
It is, obviously, when one has made a choice, from two things, and then one later finds out they had made a choice, on 'a lie', then, and only then, do they realize that they had been 'fooled'.
What is 'up to you' here, supposedly?
How about just saying what you actually mean, instead of speaking in riddles or just alluding to things only?
you asked a clarifying question, and then said and claimed that 'that' is up to you.
Which, by the way, asking a question, not waiting for a response, and then claiming something is true, was a very common practice among adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, as can be clearly seen here, once again, and throughout this whole forum here.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:44 pm
Believe the person who's the truth-teller. Doubt the liar. That's the right choice. But don't blame anybody but yourself if you go the other way.
Here we can see 'confirmation bias' at its finest.
This one believes that absolutely every word in the bible is 'absolute truth'. And, that its own very individual interpretation is the one and only right and true one. So, if absolutely anyone says or claims absolutely anything opposing this one's own interpretation, then it is them and their interpretation that is 'the lie', and this one's own interpretation that is 'the truth'.
And so to be able to distinguish between a so-called 'truth teller' from 'the liar', this one just turns to its own interpretation of the bible, to gain what it considers is 'the truth'.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 8:44 pm
So no, it's not at all the logical conclusion.
This here, by "immanuel can", is a prime example of "eve" being 'fooled' played out in what is sometimes called and referred to as 'real time'.