Re: Nothing to somthing is logically impossible
Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2024 2:15 pm
But, it only 'appears' this way to some of you, only because you human beings are still evolving towards 'catching up'.iambiguous wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:30 pmOkay, in regard to the laws of nature, mathematics, the empirical world around us, etc., it certainly appears that there are objective truths that transcend the "human condition" itself.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:52 amThat is true that we discover the truth but the truth is objective and it is human independent.iambiguous wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:03 pm
On the other hand, logic only exists because we exist. And what do the rules of human language...rules that we mere mortals have invented/discovered...have to do with grasping the existence of existence itself? Assuming we are the only intelligent life form in the universe and that "somehow" God or No God we did acquire autonomy, how to even begin to grasp questions like this when for billions of years there were no minds around to ask them?
The existence of existence itself seems to be no less "spooky" than it ever was. In fact, the more astrophysicists discover about the staggering strangeness of things "out there" the "spookier" it becomes.
There is absolutely nothing that so-called 'transcends' the 'human condition', itself, because a 'condition' within 'human beings' is the ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any and every thing.
Objective Truth is actually found and uncovered by you human beings, from which you then evolve, or transcend, into and up to the next stage of evolution, itself.
Will you provide any actual examples?
I ask because I have not yet seen any actual Truth, which conflicts with any actual True 'value judgment'. And, I say and use 'True' to denote not just one's individual personal 'value judgment'.
Human beings, in the days when this is being written, who do 'science' are so, so far away from the actual and irrefutable Truth.seeds wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:15 pm And yet given all that science has discovered about the universe of late, there is still that gap between what it thinks it knows is true objectively and all that would need to be known about the existence of existence itself in order to know for certain regarding such things as whether everything there is came out of nothing at all.
Everything, also known as 'the Universe', did not come out of 'nothing at all'. And, to even just presume that It could, will just lead those further astray. As can be clearly seen, hitherto when this is being written.
Now, to prove, irrefutably, that the Universe did not begin, did not come out of nothing at all, and is not expanding is really a very simple and easy thing to do, and to understand, as well.
Every thing that is going to happen is 'deterministic', as can also be shown and proved True.
All of 'that' as well fits in, perfectly, with the GUTOE, which, by the way, has ended up proving Itself irrefutably, and thus Objectively True, as well.