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nemos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:57 pm If time is nothing more than a characteristic of matter, and therefore cannot be viewed separately, then time exists as long as matter exists.

No, time is not a characteristic of matter.

nemos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:57 pm Moreover, it is not excluded that only in its current form, but before the singularity or in a super-dense state before the "big bang", time could not exist.

What do you mean by "before"? "Before" requires a time.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:39 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:32 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 2:26 pm

Meaning is meaningless.

Now you are not making any sense.

Don't make sense. There isn't any. Nonsense is sense.

Have you never heard of contrasts?

Yes, I know what contrasts mean. What you said is however not contrasts but incoherent.

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:10 pm
Yes, I know what contrasts mean. What you said is however not contrasts but incoherent.

You only hear what you want to hear, and say what you think you understand, so be it, no problem.

Carry on.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:38 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:10 pm
Yes, I know what contrasts mean. What you said is however not contrasts but incoherent.

You only hear what you want to hear, and say what you think you understand, so be it, no problem.

Carry on.

OK, carry on.

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:42 pm
OK, carry on.

Just don't expect any coherent information.

I am only informing an audience of one.

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:08 pm No, time is not a characteristic of matter...

Can you somehow justify your belief?

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:08 pm ... What do you mean by "before"? "Before" requires a time.

No time means that everything that happens happens outside the concept of time. This is absolutely not contrary to the fact that the time is shown after an some event.
We get the concept of time through our senses. Thanks to the sensations, the speed of the passage of time can be subjectively perceived in different ways. The feeling of time in sleep is different than when awake, the passage of time is perceived differently in good company than in unpleasant company. This indicates that subjective perception of time is relative. However, natural studies also show that time is relatively dependent on speed. As it approaches the speed of light, it tends to stop. In the quantum state, matter cannot determine the speed and location at the same time, so a quantum particle can be anywhere at the same time, which also indicates the meaninglessness of time, because time only makes sense when we can trace some process in time.

nemos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:25 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:08 pm No, time is not a characteristic of matter...

Can you somehow justify your belief?

Time to me is a substance that allows change. Here is my argument: Consider a change in a system, X to Y. X and Y cannot lay at the same point since otherwise there cannot be a change. Therefore, they should lay on two points of a variable in which one point comes after another. This variable we call time.

nemos wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:25 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:08 pm ... What do you mean by "before"? "Before" requires a time.

No time means that everything that happens happens outside the concept of time. This is absolutely not contrary to the fact that the time is shown after an some event.
We get the concept of time through our senses. Thanks to the sensations, the speed of the passage of time can be subjectively perceived in different ways. The feeling of time in sleep is different than when awake, the passage of time is perceived differently in good company than in unpleasant company. This indicates that subjective perception of time is relative. However, natural studies also show that time is relatively dependent on speed. As it approaches the speed of light, it tends to stop. In the quantum state, matter cannot determine the speed and location at the same time, so a quantum particle can be anywhere at the same time, which also indicates the meaninglessness of time, because time only makes sense when we can trace some process in time.

You are mixing subjective time with objective time, the first one is what we perceive and the second one allows change.