..and certainly there has God to be a VERY good reason for leaving us with DOUBT opposing FAITH.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:05 amIf he is, then, considering all the disagreements among people, he hasn't made the "One objective law of the universe" very clear to everyone.
"And I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse."
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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:53 am
Gary..You elided most of what he said...God talking to his "chosen" people?
God, literally, of course, does not “talk”; this follows from the idea of God as natural law, the law is immaterial, and nothing material is inherent in the law.
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Alexis Jacobi, please tell us what you believe in, what is your positive worldview?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:42 pm how absurd is the foundation of Christian and Jewish belief.
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Belief in the violation of the One Law of the World is false, and offering dividends for believing in a lie is like an intellectual bribe, which is not good enough for this.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:11 pmWhy would a Biblical prediction be fulfilled if there is no such thing as a "miracle"?Janoah wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:54 pm "And I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."
(Genesis 12:3)
Do you think that this Biblical prediction is being fulfilled?
And if so, how can this be explained from a philosophical point of view?
In my opinion, history is a story of confrontation between worldviews; the more adequate worldview wins.
For example, the positive thing about Marxism was the rejection of belief in “miracles,” so I think there was a rise in countries that adopted this.
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Excellent question, appreciated. Let me get back to you on that a bit later.Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:31 pmAlexis Jacobi, please tell us what you believe in, what is your positive worldview?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:42 pm how absurd is the foundation of Christian and Jewish belief.
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About the laws of the universe:
No one has ever considered that the world is so ordered that life can only be sustained by eating life. Generally speaking, it is only possible to live by eating others like oneself. Does this not remind you of hell, but of ethical and moral decorations just to make the punishment even more painful?
No one has ever considered that the world is so ordered that life can only be sustained by eating life. Generally speaking, it is only possible to live by eating others like oneself. Does this not remind you of hell, but of ethical and moral decorations just to make the punishment even more painful?
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The world was made by vampires, for vampires. That's the message I'm getting.nemos wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:27 pm About the laws of the universe:
No one has ever considered that the world is so ordered that life can only be sustained by eating life. Generally speaking, it is only possible to live by eating others like oneself. Does this not remind you of hell, but of ethical and moral decorations just to make the punishment even more painful?
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Or...nemos wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 4:27 pm About the laws of the universe:
No one has ever considered that the world is so ordered that life can only be sustained by eating life. Generally speaking, it is only possible to live by eating others like oneself. Does this not remind you of hell, but of ethical and moral decorations just to make the punishment even more painful?
The Universe... the 'all'... the 'one'...eats itself. Sprouting forth food that is of itself. Not terrible. Self-sustaining. Only human beings imagine it to be terrible because they imagine themselves to be separate. Maybe that's why they need gods -- to protect them from their own illusion of separation.
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Well, people's desire to put themselves in a special position creates a lot of problems for people themselves. I am a pagan because I consider myself as an organic part of nature.
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I consider myself as that too.
I do not understand a lot of the behaviors and thinking of other organic beings who seem intent on disassociating themselves with the equally organic and diverse nature of everything on Earth.
Yes, some people make divisions, then condemn any they perceive as being within those divisions, as if anything else were divinely directing them to do so! It's really insane.
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I wanted to start by writing something for you -- the beginning of an answer to what I think you are asking. But I instead wrote to Immanuel Can. But I was also conscious of attempting to respond to you.Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:31 pmAlexis Jacobi, please tell us what you believe in, what is your positive worldview?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:42 pm how absurd is the foundation of Christian and Jewish belief.
What you are asking about is *alternative* to the dominant belief-system -- in our case that defined through Judaism and Christianity.
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Perhaps you could include a little warning on all your posts that you won't really be responding to people, just using their posts to say whatever their posts reminded you of...or the like.Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:29 pmIwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:53 am
Gary..You elided most of what he said...God talking to his "chosen" people?
God, literally, of course, does not “talk”; this follows from the idea of God as natural law, the law is immaterial, and nothing material is inherent in the law.
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While I see there criticism of other worldviews, I still don’t see an answer about your moral compass and your philosophical worldview,Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:52 pmI wanted to start by writing something for you -- the beginning of an answer to what I think you are asking. But I instead wrote to Immanuel Can. But I was also conscious of attempting to respond to you.Janoah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 3:31 pmAlexis Jacobi, please tell us what you believe in, what is your positive worldview?Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:42 pm how absurd is the foundation of Christian and Jewish belief.
I'd still be interested in knowing that.Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 2:40 pm If you wish to know where, or how, I orient myself, or how I solve these problems and challenges -- well that is a separate question.
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Yes.
When one finally learns, and consciously knows, what is Right and Wrong in Life, then 'that one' can either choose to do what is Right, or what is Wrong, in Life. Once people are doing ONLY what is Right in Life, then they are teaching what is Right in Life, and ONLY THEN can ALL the families of the earth start doing and living 'the way', which was ALWAYS going to come about anyway.
Until THEN you all living in what could be described as a 'cursed' like way, until 'the revelation' is REVEALED.
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Do 'you', or ANY of 'you', KNOW what the words 'chosen people' is even REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:11 amGod talking to his "chosen" people?Janoah wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:54 pm "And I will bless those who bless you, and the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."
(Genesis 12:3)
Do you think that this Biblical prediction is being fulfilled?
And if so, how can this be explained from a philosophical point of view?
WHY are 'you' SO CONCERNED 'now' about just some people in "palestine" "garry childress"?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:11 am God is like your bodyguard or something--your weapon of mass destruction before modern technology came up with extremely powerful ones. Maybe God wants the Palestinians killed, women and children too, like the Amalekites. Kill or be killed. What a "divine" world your creator Yhwh made.
No thanks. Let's not run around killing people. Maybe abstinence from killing will catch on and others will follow a similar sentiment.
'Before', 'you' were SO CONCERNED about some people in "ukraine", which, as far as I am aware, 'you' have NOT mentioned for a while 'now'.
Also, WHY do 'you' NOT seem SO CONCERNED about the KILLINGS men, women, and children in the ACTUAL country/place that 'you' are residing in 'now'?
A quick search might show that there are MORE KILLINGS by the USE of WEAPONS in 'that country', in a year, then there are in ANY other country/place.