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Walker wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 7:03 am The Democrat Party ruling class, elites, and activists are united in this revolution.
Well, that's obviously true. But there are Democrat dissenters, like Gabbard or Kennedy, so it's not a situation of pure polarization. And there are, of course, quite a number of corrupt Republicans, too, who in order ot support the elites will also advocate evil or stab their own people. So this problem crosses party lines.

But the underlying cause they all support is the push to extort ordinary folks through pushing a kind of global Socialism for the masses, while retaining their own riches and positions of power in the elite. They are not aiming to share their own wealth -- you can see that, by way of the simple fact that they are not doing it -- but rather to end up being "The Party," that gets to speak as "The People's Party," and thus gets to rule in the name of the masses while bilking and manipulating the masses. They fancy themselves not as politicians representing the people, but as social engineers and beneficiaries of the new arrangement. And they certainly have the backing and help of big business, the banks and the media. There's no missing that point. But they utilize the irrational emotional fervour of "social justice" advocates of various kinds to destabilize the status quo and to get a free hand in reorganizing it to their own liking.

Why this isn't perfectly obvious to everyone remains a mystery to me. If it were otherwise, then they would be sharing their wealth and distributing their power, would they not? But as it is, everyone can plainly see they're doing the opposite.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:23 pm Why this isn't perfectly obvious to everyone remains a mystery to me.
Maybe because everyone else knows it too? People don't all react to all the same things the same way all the time.
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Walker wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:40 pm The Democrat Party Hates America
By Mark Levin

Check it out.
It’s a book. Here’s a link.
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/ ... 1501183157
The seven-time #1 New York Times bestselling author, radio host, and Fox News star returns to the page to reveal the radically dangerous Democrat agenda that is upending American life.

In American Marxism, Mark Levin explained how Marxist ideology has invaded our society and culture. In doing so, he exposed the institutions, scholars, and activists leading the revolution. Now, he picks up where he left off: to hold responsible the true malefactors steering our country down the wrong path.

Insightful and hard-hitting as ever, Levin proves that since its establishment, the Democrat Party has set out to rewrite history and destroy the foundation of freedom in America. More than a political party, it is the entity through which Marxism has installed its philosophy and its new revolution.

As in a Thomas Paine pamphlet or a clarion call from Paul Revere, Levin alerts his fellow Americans to the destruction this country is facing, and rallies them to defeat the threat in front of us—more looming than ever. He writes, “Every legal, legitimate, and appropriate tool and method must be employed in the short- and long- run to defeat the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party must be resoundingly conquered in the next election and several elections thereafter, or it will become extremely difficult to undo the damage it is unleashing at breakneck pace.”
Did you notice, Walker, that what you’ve quoted offers no support for any of its claims and characterizations?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:23 pmThey [Democrats] are not aiming to share their own wealth -- you can see that, by way of the simple fact that they are not doing it...
Isn't that exactly what they are accused of doing when Republicans paint the Democrats as the party of high taxation?
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Walker wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:40 pm In American Marxism, Mark Levin explained how Marxist ideology has invaded our society and culture. In doing so, he exposed the institutions, scholars, and activists leading the revolution. Now, he picks up where he left off: to hold responsible the true malefactors steering our country down the wrong path.
There is an expression: “Can’t see the forest for the trees”, referring to the perspective of someone too involved in details to be able to see the situation as a whole.

As a critical exercise, I’d suggest that Mark Levin does not take into account in his fulminations that it has been a neoconservative establishment, influenced by Leo Strauss (a dedicated Machiavellian) and many neoconservatives were at an early period Trotskyites, who have had immense influence over the last 30-40 years in shaping, and manipulating, American foreign policy and also the general outlook. The US has been on a war footing and engaged in warring for 30+ years now. This has had an immense effect on the social body it seems to me.

If one is looking for “causes” that have led to a situation of decay, decadence, loss of faith in the ideology and actions of one’s own nation, and also the psychological ramifications that come about when people lose their grounding, then I am not at all sure if to say “It is Marxism” is enough of an analytical picture.

While I might agree — and when I watch Levin I find myself influenced to a degree by his ‘fury’ and some of his reasoning — that Marxism, Critical Theory, ‘wokeness’ and all the rest are symptoms that can be examined, I am not sure if they are exclusively the cause that must be addressed in remediation of the different levels of breakdown that are evident at this stage.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:51 pm
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:40 pm In American Marxism, Mark Levin explained how Marxist ideology has invaded our society and culture. In doing so, he exposed the institutions, scholars, and activists leading the revolution. Now, he picks up where he left off: to hold responsible the true malefactors steering our country down the wrong path.
There is an expression: “Can’t see the forest for the trees”, referring to the perspective of someone too involved in details to be able to see the situation as a whole.

As a critical exercise, I’d suggest that Mark Levin does not take into account in his fulminations that it has been a neoconservative establishment, influenced by Leo Strauss (a dedicated Machiavellian) and many neoconservatives were at an early period Trotskyites, who have had immense influence over the last 30-40 years in shaping, and manipulating, American foreign policy and also the general outlook. The US has been on a war footing and engaged in warring for 30+ years now. This has had an immense effect on the social body it seems to me.

If one is looking for “causes” that have led to a situation of decay, decadence, loss of faith in the ideology and actions of one’s own nation, and also the psychological ramifications that come about when people lose their grounding, then I am not at all sure if to say “It is Marxism” is enough of an analytical picture.

While I might agree — and when I watch Levin I find myself influenced to a degree by his ‘fury’ and some of his reasoning — that Marxism, Critical Theory, ‘wokeness’ and all the rest are symptoms that can be examined, I am not sure if they are exclusively the cause that must be addressed in remediation of the different levels of breakdown that are evident at this stage.
America is decadent and declining BECAUSE MY COUNTY HAS ENGAGED IN CONTINUOUS WARRING. WAR IS A CAUSE OF DECADENCE, NOTHING ELSE.
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Which party a politician becomes a part of is totally random and they only take the desk job for the pay. This is becuz none of em understand what's going on. I know this becuz ten minutes with me and I'd turn any clown who's ever stepped into the white house into a babbling idiot. And this would only be possible if they hadn't the slightest clue about what they stand for or what they're doing.

Biden, Trump, Truman, Reagan, Carter, Roosevelt... fuck u could even throw Washington and Lincoln in there and I'd eat them too.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:35 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:23 pm Why this isn't perfectly obvious to everyone remains a mystery to me.
Maybe because everyone else knows it too? People don't all react to all the same things the same way all the time.
I think they don't want to know it. They don't want to admit to themselves that the simple facts so present before their eyes add up to what they see.

It's much easier for the activists to tell themselves the proponents of the Socialist new order (Dems and Repubs) are acting compassionately, with empathy, on behalf of the good of the people -- and most specifically, in our personal interests. To think we are actually surrounded by a malevolent political order is too frightening: better to imagine the media's giving me information, business is making me new products for my pleasure, and the politicians are guarding my interests than to imagine that they're arrayed to lie to me and abuse me. Better to say, "Despite all, all is well."

So I tell myself that those who think such things are merely "conspiracy theorists," and I continue to live my normal round of life as if nothing's wrong; because better I should be deluded than that I should be frightened, threatened and in peril of losing all I have, including my freedom to think.

So I excuse all that they do. And I refocus my hatred against anybody who threatens the imaginary safety bubble I have placed around my own life. Those who question the power brokers are nut jobs, alt-righters, Neo-Nazis, and "Trumpists" -- grrrrrrr. Tucker Carlson and Russell Brand -- bad! CNN and The View -- good! The exception-taking individuals are all mad. It's the corporations, the big programs, the major networks, the big banks, the major parties that are working for our future good. That's how I reinforce my confidence that I am not in danger, not under threat, particularly not by any entities too big for me to resist.

I get it. It's fear and the smallness of the individual that incentivize the process of lying to oneself. Unfortunately, it's also evidently a lie. So it takes a great deal of lying to myself to sustain it...and when it shakes (which it often does), my reaction is anger, blind hostility, instant denial and the demonization of whoever has spoken. Only with all that in place can I sink back into my comforting complacency, resting in the belief that the threat is really only a limininal conspiracy theory, and the mainline of society is healthy and well-secured in my interests.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:55 pm WAR IS A CAUSE OF DECADENCE, NOTHING ELSE.
I think you'll find, Gary, that decadence is a universal feature of humanity. And as for this war, it's been arranged and conducted by one particular party that is at great pains to make sure that the other party does not take power, since that party has promised to stop the war instantly.

The decadence precedes the war. The war is only a symptom, not the cause of the problem.
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Walker wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 6:40 am
Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:29 pm...hateful sources.
The Democrat Party is the source of hate.

The Democrat Party hates America.

That's why it wants to fundamentally change the country away from the principles of individualism and freedom made possible with minimal centralized power ... and that equates to totalitarianism.

Democrats do love their totalitarians.

Democrats do hate the fundamental USofA.
Not everything Republicans say is wrong. I just can’t think of an example.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:56 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:35 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:23 pm Why this isn't perfectly obvious to everyone remains a mystery to me.
Maybe because everyone else knows it too? People don't all react to all the same things the same way all the time.
I think they don't want to know it. They don't want to admit to themselves that the simple facts so present before their eyes add up to what they see.
Then tell them. I tell people things they don't want to know (or at least hear) all the time too. Not everyone wants to hear what I have to say. I was at a celebration with some of my church buddies. I tried minding my manners but I noticed my friend's mom clutching her children's ears tightly. Not everyone wants to hear the same thing. And not everyone wants people they know to hear the same thing.

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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:59 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:55 pm WAR IS A CAUSE OF DECADENCE, NOTHING ELSE.
I think you'll find, Gary, that decadence is a universal feature of humanity. And as for this war, it's been arranged and conducted by one particular party that is at great pains to make sure that the other party does not take power, since that party has promised to stop the war instantly.

The decadence precedes the war. The war is only a symptom, not the cause of the problem.
That doesn't match my interpretation of what is going on. But if that's what you want to be your guiding light. Then, whatever.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:23 pmBut the underlying cause they all support is the push to extort ordinary folks through pushing a kind of global Socialism for the masses, while retaining their own riches and positions of power in the elite. They are not aiming to share their own wealth -- you can see that, by way of the simple fact that they are not doing it -- but rather to end up being "The Party," that gets to speak as "The People's Party," and thus gets to rule in the name of the masses while bilking and manipulating the masses. They fancy themselves not as politicians representing the people, but as social engineers and beneficiaries of the new arrangement. And they certainly have the backing and help of big business, the banks and the media. There's no missing that point. But they utilize the irrational emotional fervour of "social justice" advocates of various kinds to destabilize the status quo and to get a free hand in reorganizing it to their own liking.
If I take what you are presenting as a ‘picture’ of real, cynical political machination, I am not sure if the simplistic label of ‘socialism’ and ‘socialists’ is enough to explain a régime and a power-structure. The picture you are presenting seem to share a good deal in common with how National Socialism had been described in our textbooks: a collusion between capital interests and a governing structure. The collusion enabled a fascistic power-structure to control social and political outlook in the same way that the media-systems of today are described as being controlled by a very small group of corporations who control information.

How odd it is that there has taken place a very unlikely role-reversal: Now it is the Right and the Dissident Republicans who decry the RINO’s who are collaborating with the structures of power you describe as Democrat and Socialist, and it is these Dissident Republicans (or traditional rightists and also traditional religionists) who the State police has in its sights and is harassing and vilifying — labeling them as the primary enemy. It is the Dissident Republicans who are now the victims of the oppressive State when just a very short while ago the *danger* was the Left-Progressive and also the Marxian activists that were painted as *the enemy*.

Strangely, it is the Dissident Republicans who now seem to see that the “military-industrial complex’ is the primary problem, and ‘globalism’, and the sort of Fukiyamaesque “end of history” (i.e. total domination of American Liberal forms) is seen as the enemy of true liberal freedom. The Democrats, who seem now to dominate state power now act like war mongers and indeed initiate unnecessary conflicts and defend them. But wasn’t it the Right establishment (the Neoconservatives) who set so much of this in motion?

It seems really had to get to the bottom of genuine power-struggles. We are in a war but the terms of the war are not so intelligible to us.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:59 pm The decadence precedes the war. The war is only a symptom, not the cause of the problem.
Nothing is decadent until war enters the picture. War is what is to be prevented. You can't prevent war by making things that aren't war illegal. But don't listen to me. Go thumb through the Bible if you want all your answers that way. Just don't ask me to join in the same enterprise of idiocy.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:59 pm And as for this war, it's been arranged and conducted by one particular party that is at great pains to make sure that the other party does not take power, since that party has promised to stop the war instantly.
Here is where I notice short-sightedness in your analysis. War has been going on for decades now, but the party label is irrelevant. It is not “one particular party” that has initiated these engagements, but rather a specific power-structure, with specific goals and objectives.
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