Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:18 am
Again, then why do we also have noumena that act like particles?
Your question makes no sense.
If noumena are acting like "particles" then they are presenting themselves as "phenomena" and are no longer "noumena."
noumenon
noun
1. (in the philosophy of Kant) a thing as it is in itself,...incapable of being known, but only inferred from the nature of experience
2. the object of a purely intellectual intuition
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Again, noumena cannot act like particles, because, if they do, they become phenomena.
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:18 am
And how do you know that some phenomena don't act like waves?
Come on now, Atla, of course there are phenomena that act like waves...
The fact that those water waves are accessible to our senses is the reason why they are labeled
"phenomena." That's what the word "phenomena" is all about.
Whereas, on the other hand, the true nature of whatever it is that is waving in the double slit experiment
is not accessible to our senses, therefore, it is labeled
"noumena," as in something that is perceivable only by means of a
"...purely intellectual intuition...".
seeds wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:50 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:27 pm
I don't know what you mean, there is nothing deep about nonlocality,...
The deepness comes by reason of the fact that, again, like Kant's noumena, non-local reality is...
"...not itself sensible and must therefore remain otherwise unknowable to us..."
In other words, how much deeper (as in dark and mysterious) can something get than that which is actually real and taking place in some "non-local" context of existence, yet is unknowable to us because it is forever beyond the reach of our senses?
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:18 am
I think you don't know at all what non-locality refers to. What does non-locality have to do with the above issues? It's the largely unrelated topic of "absolute synchronicity".
What do
you think "non-locality" means? I'm listening.
What do you think non-locality is referring to if not a deeper context of reality where the limiting speed of light is no longer in play?
In what context do you suppose this so-called
"absolute synchronicity" is taking place if not in a
"non-local" realm (or "layer," if you prefer) of reality where information can (theoretically) not only move faster-than-light between particles, but instantaneously between them, even if those particles are on opposite ends of the universe?
Now
that is what "non-locality" is all about.
Furthermore, and I know I've used this quote before, but from a slightly different perspective,
"non-local" reality is precisely what physicist Nick Herbert was referring to when he stated the following...
“Legendary King Midas never knew the feel of silk or a human hand after everything he touched turned to gold. Humans are stuck in a similar Midas-like predicament: we can't directly experience the true texture of quantum reality because everything we touch turns to matter.”
In other words, everything we touch (make that "measure") with respect to the quantum realm is instantly transformed from noumena into phenomena, thus, reinforcing the notion that the noumenon can never be apprehended (as it really is in its pre-measured state) by any means other than, again, purely intellectual intuition.
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:18 am
There's no known reason to think that the universe is a hologram or even holographic. It's probably random pseudoscience.
How many times do I have to point out to you that I am simply using the seeming
"oneness" of the correlated patterns of information in the photographic plate of the
laser hologram as a tool to help visualize quantum entanglement?
You are reading too much into my reason for using it.
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:18 am
Yes you want to believe in what you want to be true, no matter how unlikely the explanations are to be true.
Yes, I suppose that's true.
However, are you suggesting that the same doesn't apply to you?
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:18 am
Mind stuff is probably same as the physical world,...
Huh?
Atla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:18 am
Dreams happen in the head. Now I do also think that we can probably influence the world with our conscious attention, and maybe the last humans will be able to do it a lot more, but today our effect is marginal at best.
Not only is it marginal, but I suggest that you could do a real-time experiment in which a billion people go on-line where they all simultaneously focus their conscious attention at a live feed of a pencil suspended horizontally by a thread -- with the intent of causing it to spin clockwise -- and absolutely nothing would happen.
The fabric of the universe does not belong to us in the same way that the fabric of our own thoughts and dreams belong to us.
Anyway, getting back to the theme of this thread and how black holes might be the metaphorical
"pistons" that help to keep the cogs and gears of the universe moving,...
...or even your good suggestion that they may play a role in
"reversing entropy",...
...I like this quote from physicist Paul Dirac:
In other words, if the mere picking of a flower here on earth can move the farthest star in some way, then, again, just imagine the dynamic effect that 40,000,000,000,000,000,000, or 40 quintillion, stellar-mass black holes will have on the universe writ large?
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