(Il)Literacy Problem in the West

[Wizard22]

1. Will you define the 'literacy' word here?

If no, then why not?

The opposite of how I defined Illiteracy:

1) You can copy verbatim, word-for-word, letter-for-letter, what your interlocutor has said and believes.

2) You interpret what was said, demonstrate understanding of it, and how you agree/disagree with it, adding to or subtracting from it.

2. What happens if one has ALREADY come-to-KNOW, are you here suggesting that they then can NOT do 'philosophy', from then on?

Philosophy certainly cannot be done 'well' without Literacy. Yes, I'd say it's a necessary prerequisite.

[Age]

Of course the three main culprits feel compelled to chime in, how ironic:

I think most of us understand you; that's how we know you're an idiot.

You write some of the absolutely dumbest shit I have ever seen. Sad to relate, that appears to be your primary skill.

There is something of a problem in the USA.
But generally, literacy rates are high.
If you want to start threads of this kind you should really present evidence first.
No one gives a fuck about "have you noticed?"

Exactly like most of your posts, this thread is meritless.
There is some detectable drag on literacy due to the pandemic. But unless you are a teacher you will not have "noticed" that.
But even including that, all Western countries' rates are in the top 10% percentile.

No, all a person needs to do is skim this forum, and there are overwhelming examples of philosophical hobbyists talking past each-other. This demonstrates Illiteracy. You are often guilty of it too. You fail to understand 1) what is being said and 2) the intent of the author. This is because you're not serious about Philosophy.

WHO does the 'you' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

Or, are 'you', "wizard22", just going to KEEP talking PAST the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed, and ASKED TO 'you', FOR CLARIFICATION, and thus DO the VERY 'thing' to ACCUSE "others" of doing?

[Wizard22]

WHO does the 'you' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

Or, are 'you', "wizard22", just going to KEEP talking PAST the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed, and ASKED TO 'you', FOR CLARIFICATION, and thus DO the VERY 'thing' to ACCUSE "others" of doing?

Mostly Sculptor, but somewhat the other two as well.

I'm not going to address pedantic Ad Hom insults which only intend to denigrate the thread and my points.

Philosophy among children is a difficult task.

[Age]

1. Will you define the 'literacy' word here?

If no, then why not?

The opposite of how I defined Illiteracy:

1) You can copy verbatim, word-for-word, letter-for-letter, what your interlocutor has said and believes.

2) You interpret what was said, demonstrate understanding of it, and how you agree/disagree with it, adding to or subtracting from it.

2. What happens if one has ALREADY come-to-KNOW, are you here suggesting that they then can NOT do 'philosophy', from then on?

Philosophy certainly cannot be done 'well' without Literacy. Yes, I'd say it's a necessary prerequisite.

I will SAY that the Universe IS infinite AND eternal.

Now, let us SEE you COPY 'this', and how you INTERPRET 'this', while demonstrating that you UNDERSTAND 'it', and then SHOW us how you agree or disagree with 'this'.

Then we WILL SEE what the ACTUAL outcome IS, EXACTLY.

In other words SHOW 'us' that you are ACTUALLY ABLE to DO what you ACCUSE "others" of NOT being able to do.

[Age]

WHO does the 'you' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

Or, are 'you', "wizard22", just going to KEEP talking PAST the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed, and ASKED TO 'you', FOR CLARIFICATION, and thus DO the VERY 'thing' to ACCUSE "others" of doing?

Mostly Sculptor, but somewhat the other two as well.

I'm not going to address pedantic Ad Hom insults which only intend to denigrate the thread and my points.

Philosophy among children is a difficult task.

LOL
LOL
LOL

Philosophy WITH children is Natural, and so EXTREMELY VERY SIMPLE and EASY.

However, philosophy AMONG adults IS DIMINISHED, or WAS LOST, SO MUCH, which is WHY 'you', adult, human beings, have been ARGUING, DISAGREEING, BICKERING, and QUARRELING with "EACH OTHER" for millennia now WITHOUT ANY real progress AT ALL.

[Wizard22]

I will SAY that the Universe IS infinite AND eternal.

Now, let us SEE you COPY 'this', and how you INTERPRET 'this', while demonstrating that you UNDERSTAND 'it', and then SHOW us how you agree or disagree with 'this'.

Then we WILL SEE what the ACTUAL outcome IS, EXACTLY.

In other words SHOW 'us' that you are ACTUALLY ABLE to DO what you ACCUSE "others" of NOT being able to do.

Easy, you say that "the Universe IS infinite AND eternal." See?

I can't interpret much from your belief however since I don't know how you came to it in spite of the Abrahamic religions which claim the Universe is finite, with a Beginning, created from God.

And I won't derail this thread with off-topic matter.

[Wizard22]

LOL
LOL
LOL

Philosophy WITH children is Natural, and so EXTREMELY VERY SIMPLE and EASY.

However, philosophy AMONG adults IS DIMINISHED, or WAS LOST, SO MUCH, which is WHY 'you', adult, human beings, have been ARGUING, DISAGREEING, BICKERING, and QUARRELING with "EACH OTHER" for millennia now WITHOUT ANY real progress AT ALL.

That's not true.

Philosophers in history build off of each other's progress, sometimes. It is rare though.

[Iwannaplato]

I'll take this as a 'Yes' you have noticed. Or worse, participated in it.

Yes, I've noticed your habit of interpreting conveniently.
Recognizing hypnotic techniques and having a sense of humor are part of being literate.

[Wizard22]

Yes, I've noticed your habit of interpreting conveniently.
Recognizing hypnotic techniques and having a sense of humor are part of being literate.

What's the difference between hypnosis and persuasion?

If you are forced to actually listen to what somebody says, are you then hypnotized?

What are the motives for wanting to listen to somebody? For me, it's curiosity. I'm actually interested in how people think and how they rationalize the world. Most others, don't seem to have this curiosity. Most of humanity are thoroughly disinterested in other peoples' minds. They have their own, selfish mental obsessions: Neuroticism/Solipsism. This is why some people cannot communicate well. They have their own Monologue clogging-up their reception, unable to listen or read what another says, Close-minded.

Why do most people 'shut off' their mental Receptors? I presume, because most people are traumatized at a young age about the Depth of the world, reality, and existence. It's too much. So people develop catharses, habitual methods of soothing or suppressing cognitive dissonance. Escapism into fantasy and fiction, "inner-reality", might be the most common method. This is enhanced by Postmodern propagation and indoctrination throughout Western schooling. Children and teenagers are literally trained, not to be "racist" or "sexist" or "bigoted". Why all the training, except to suppress a natural compulsion? Why force minds to be opened or closed, except to propagate a program in the populace?

[Sculptor]

Of course the three main culprits feel compelled to chime in, how ironic:

I think most of us understand you; that's how we know you're an idiot.

You write some of the absolutely dumbest shit I have ever seen. Sad to relate, that appears to be your primary skill.

There is something of a problem in the USA.
But generally, literacy rates are high.
If you want to start threads of this kind you should really present evidence first.
No one gives a fuck about "have you noticed?"

Exactly like most of your posts, this thread is meritless.
There is some detectable drag on literacy due to the pandemic. But unless you are a teacher you will not have "noticed" that.
But even including that, all Western countries' rates are in the top 10% percentile.

No, all a person needs to do is skim this forum, and there are overwhelming examples of philosophical hobbyists talking past each-other. This demonstrates Illiteracy. You are often guilty of it too. You fail to understand 1) what is being said and 2) the intent of the author. This is because you're not serious about Philosophy.

You do not even understand the meaning of the word Illiteracy.

[Iwannaplato]

What's the difference between hypnosis and persuasion?

Depends on the context. Here playful polemics.

If you are forced to actually listen to what somebody says, are you then hypnotized?

Guns work well. Not hypnosis. And anyway, people generally listen. With hypnosis, you say things they don't notice consciously, but their bodies and desires notice.

What are the motives for wanting to listen to somebody? For me, it's curiosity. I'm actually interested in how people think and how they rationalize the world. Most others, don't seem to have this curiosity.

I think other people are generally less curious than me.

Most of humanity are thoroughly disinterested in other peoples' minds.

I don't think that's true, though I suppose it depends on what you mean.

They have their own, selfish mental obsessions: Neuroticism/Solipsism. This is why some people cannot communicate well. They have their own Monologue clogging-up their reception, unable to listen or read what another says, Close-minded.

Sure.

Why do most people 'shut off' their mental Receptors? I presume, because most people are traumatized at a young age about the Depth of the world, reality, and existence.

Could be. Or they go with the flow for a variety of reasons.

It's too much. So people develop catharses, habitual methods of soothing or suppressing cognitive dissonance. Escapism into fantasy and fiction, "inner-reality", might be the most common method. This is enhanced by Postmodern propagation and indoctrination throughout Western schooling

Well sure. But then I'm old enough to have gotten the conservative pedagogy and I can tell you that was absolutely deadening. Lots of bs and blind spots. Sit in rows, don't be creative, don't ask challengeing questions, regurgitate what we tell you.

I gotta say the short memories of conservatives about when they had control of political and pedagogical correctness must be a kind of bliss.

Children and teenagers are literally trained, not to be "racist" or "sexist" or "bigoted". Why all the training, except to suppress a natural compulsion? Why force minds to be opened or closed, except to propagate a program in the populace?

Yeah, conservatives are all into natural compulsions.

[Wizard22]

You do not even understand the meaning of the word Illiteracy.

Pretty sure you can't repeat what I've said, nor do you understand it.

[Wizard22]

What's the difference between hypnosis and persuasion?

Depends on the context. Here playful polemics.

If you are forced to actually listen to what somebody says, are you then hypnotized?

Guns work well. Not hypnosis. And anyway, people generally listen. With hypnosis, you say things they don't notice consciously, but their bodies and desires notice.

Not really, people have short attention spans and lack of patience, especially in USA. Philosophy is a different group, that requires concentration on complex ideas. Therefore, the attention and patience demands are very high by comparison. I can tell immediately, on this forum, which Users are trained philosophically and which are not by virtue of these requirements.

You don't need to agree with your opposition, in order to understand them. This is a higher cognitive function—most people seek-out narratives which favor their subconscious biases. This is how the masses become hooked on Consumerism and addicted to News Media propagandist pundits. The masses are 'engineered' to do so.

What are the motives for wanting to listen to somebody? For me, it's curiosity. I'm actually interested in how people think and how they rationalize the world. Most others, don't seem to have this curiosity.

I think other people are generally less curious than me.

Most of humanity are thoroughly disinterested in other peoples' minds.

I don't think that's true, though I suppose it depends on what you mean.

They have their own, selfish mental obsessions: Neuroticism/Solipsism. This is why some people cannot communicate well. They have their own Monologue clogging-up their reception, unable to listen or read what another says, Close-minded.

Sure.

Why do most people 'shut off' their mental Receptors? I presume, because most people are traumatized at a young age about the Depth of the world, reality, and existence.

Could be. Or they go with the flow for a variety of reasons.

Yes, people tend to follow the crowd and what is recognized as Popular, hence the root concept: Populace.

It's too much. So people develop catharses, habitual methods of soothing or suppressing cognitive dissonance. Escapism into fantasy and fiction, "inner-reality", might be the most common method. This is enhanced by Postmodern propagation and indoctrination throughout Western schooling

Well sure. But then I'm old enough to have gotten the conservative pedagogy and I can tell you that was absolutely deadening. Lots of bs and blind spots. Sit in rows, don't be creative, don't ask challengeing questions, regurgitate what we tell you.

I gotta say the short memories of conservatives about when they had control of political and pedagogical correctness must be a kind of bliss.

Children and teenagers are literally trained, not to be "racist" or "sexist" or "bigoted". Why all the training, except to suppress a natural compulsion? Why force minds to be opened or closed, except to propagate a program in the populace?

Yeah, conservatives are all into natural compulsions.

I much prefer the Conservative cultural dominion of the 1990s USA to the Liberal cultural dominion of 2012-onward.

Liberals are more censorious and anti-intellectual than I ever imagined Conservatives could be.

[Sculptor]

You do not even understand the meaning of the word Illiteracy.

Pretty sure you can't repeat what I've said, nor do you understand it.

That is not relevant to my comment.
This reinforces the simple fact that you do not understand the meaning of "illiteracy".
It might indicate that you are in fact illiterate. But not responding to a comment is not an indication of illiteracy.
Illiteracy is the inability to read and write.
When you have got that sorted in your dull stupid brain come back and re-read the thread (if you can).

[Sculptor]

Liberals are more censorious and anti-intellectual than I ever imagined Conservatives could be.

FLORIDA today
Today we learn that two women were arrested on felony charges for kissing on a golf course where there was a child present.
They were removed from the course in handcuffs with the back woman in fear of her life..
This is where conservatism leads.

Next it will be you.