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Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:50 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:44 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:34 am

The term selfish implies, I think, harming others, or at least disadvantaging them in some way. I'm not doing that.

I know, the term 'selfish' implies other things.

And, what you are doing is harming "others" anyway.

How?

By your behavior 'you' teach younger ones, and by teaching younger ones a selfish behavior, while telling them that it is NOT selfish behavior, harms them, and this is because they are being taught to have the same Wrong BELIEFS.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:54 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:50 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:44 am

I know, the term 'selfish' implies other things.

And, what you are doing is harming "others" anyway.

How?

By your behavior 'you' teach younger ones, and by teaching younger ones a selfish behavior, while telling them that it is NOT selfish behavior, harms them, and this is because they are being taught to have the same Wrong BELIEFS.

How am I teaching younger ones? And why is my behaviour selfish?

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:58 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:54 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:50 am

How?

By your behavior 'you' teach younger ones, and by teaching younger ones a selfish behavior, while telling them that it is NOT selfish behavior, harms them, and this is because they are being taught to have the same Wrong BELIEFS.

How am I teaching younger ones?

By what you do.

Younger ones follow and copy what older ones do.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:58 am And why is my behaviour selfish?

Because you are doing 'it' only for 'you'.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:01 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:58 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:54 am

By your behavior 'you' teach younger ones, and by teaching younger ones a selfish behavior, while telling them that it is NOT selfish behavior, harms them, and this is because they are being taught to have the same Wrong BELIEFS.

How am I teaching younger ones?

By what you do.

Younger ones follow and copy what older ones do.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:58 am And why is my behaviour selfish?

Because you are doing 'it' only for 'you'.

I'm not harming others by avoiding meat, therefore it's not selfish.

Avoiding meat is healthy. In the unlikely event that any kids choose to do so by my example, I'm actually helping them.

dattaswami wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:04 am You must not kill any living being for the sake of your food

I wouldn't dream of killing anybody for food. I just pay for it at the checkout, like everyone else.

Instead of killing a goat he or she can donate that money to very poor widows,

I've never killed a goat in my life, so, according to your scheme, I must owe the widows an absolute fortune by now.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:01 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:58 am

How am I teaching younger ones?

By what you do.

Younger ones follow and copy what older ones do.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 9:58 am And why is my behaviour selfish?

Because you are doing 'it' only for 'you'.

I'm not harming others by avoiding meat, therefore it's not selfish.

Okay, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, and are NOT CURIOS AT ALL here, then so be it.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am Avoiding meat is healthy.

I NEVER said otherwise.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am In the unlikely event that any kids choose to do so by my example, I'm actually helping them.

You completely and utterly MISSED the point here.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:09 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:01 am

By what you do.

Younger ones follow and copy what older ones do.


Because you are doing 'it' only for 'you'.

I'm not harming others by avoiding meat, therefore it's not selfish.

Okay, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, and are NOT CURIOS AT ALL here, then so be it.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am Avoiding meat is healthy.

I NEVER said otherwise.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am In the unlikely event that any kids choose to do so by my example, I'm actually helping them.

You completely and utterly MISSED the point here.

Then perhaps you'd like to spell it out in plain English.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:30 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:09 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am

I'm not harming others by avoiding meat, therefore it's not selfish.

Okay, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, and are NOT CURIOS AT ALL here, then so be it.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am Avoiding meat is healthy.

I NEVER said otherwise.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:10 am In the unlikely event that any kids choose to do so by my example, I'm actually helping them.

You completely and utterly MISSED the point here.

Then perhaps you'd like to spell it out in plain English.

How prepared are you?

There is quite a LOT to SHOW and EXPRESS here.

You not eating meat for your OWN personal health and well being only teaches younger ones to not eat meat for their OWN personal health and well being only as well.

Teaching "others" to do things for their OWN personal selves is teaching them to be selfish also, which harms them, as they become selfish as well.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:41 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:30 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:09 am

Okay, if this is what you BELIEVE is true, and are NOT CURIOS AT ALL here, then so be it.


I NEVER said otherwise.



You completely and utterly MISSED the point here.

Then perhaps you'd like to spell it out in plain English.

How prepared are you?

There is quite a LOT to SHOW and EXPRESS here.

You not eating meat for your OWN personal health and well being only teaches younger ones to not eat meat for their OWN personal health and well being only as well.

Teaching "others" to do things for their OWN personal selves is teaching them to be selfish also, which harms them, as they become selfish as well.

I'm not teaching them to do anything.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:41 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:30 am

Then perhaps you'd like to spell it out in plain English.

How prepared are you?

There is quite a LOT to SHOW and EXPRESS here.

You not eating meat for your OWN personal health and well being only teaches younger ones to not eat meat for their OWN personal health and well being only as well.

Teaching "others" to do things for their OWN personal selves is teaching them to be selfish also, which harms them, as they become selfish as well.

I'm not teaching them to do anything.

Is this what you BELIEVE is true.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:56 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:46 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:41 am

How prepared are you?

There is quite a LOT to SHOW and EXPRESS here.

You not eating meat for your OWN personal health and well being only teaches younger ones to not eat meat for their OWN personal health and well being only as well.

Teaching "others" to do things for their OWN personal selves is teaching them to be selfish also, which harms them, as they become selfish as well.

I'm not teaching them to do anything.

Is this what you BELIEVE is true.

Yes.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:59 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:56 am

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:46 am

I'm not teaching them to do anything.

Is this what you BELIEVE is true.

Yes.

Okay.

BUT 'it' is NOT true.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:02 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:59 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:56 am

Is this what you BELIEVE is true.

Yes.

Okay.

BUT 'it' is NOT true.

Yes, it is.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 7:47 am

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:57 am What is a body to do when it lives so far North, or at so high an altitude, or in a desert, where plant food is not available?

According to "dattaswami", JUST DIE.

Not much future in that.

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I'd say that one must reconcile what is known to be true, with conditions. With the Situation. One must integrate the essence that is truth, with conditions, with the situation.

- If the essence is chowing down, then the essence is subject to limitations.
- What kind of essence is subject to limitations? The answer is: none.
- The essence transcends limitations.

For example, Padmasambhava adapted the essence of Buddhism from India for the Tibetan region, by incorporating the situation in Tibet, (which included geography, local customs and religions), into the essence of Buddhism.

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:42 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:02 pm

Maia wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:59 am

Yes.

Okay.

BUT 'it' is NOT true.

Yes, it is.

Okay.

Obviously you have absolutely NO CURIOSITY here so we will leave it where it is now correct?