Why don't you go and live in a country that genuinely has no 'freedom' and you might learn the difference and stop whining about your own lack of it (which invariably involves something to do with money)? How do you know what those immigrants get up to in their private lives? They might be all drug dealers for all you know. Or people traffickers.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:12 pm[To make amends, maybe, for my previous post.]vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:52 amHow does that mean 'freedom'? Please explain. And as an annoying old fart, how do YOU exist? Govt pension? How does that make you 'free'? Do you think you should be 'free' to drive around with dementia as you please, putting everyone else at risk?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 1:35 am
Sadly true. I personally know some immigrants who are still running successful businesses--Cambodian, Mexican, and Vietnamese, who are still doing pretty well, because they really appreciate that freedom means extreme hard work one has to achieve themselves. But such are becoming very rare.
First I have to say I never answer questions of a personal nature, especially about finances in any public place (for privacy reasons) and avoid asking such questions of anyone else. It's why I would never be a part of Fartbook, Twatter, or any other so-called social media.
Freedom means freedom to do, not freedom to have provided by anything or anyone else. It is freedom when someone is able to choose to do what they believe is in their own interest, to their survival, their life, and however they choose to pursue it. There is no one way for anyone to live, but to be free one must be the sole determiner of how they live their life and all they are and all the have, good or bad, must be the result of their own choices and effort. There are no guarantees, and freedom does not mean automatic success. It only means if one chooses to succeed and is willing make the effort and pay the price, success is possible.
What freedom will be for any individual will be different for every one, because every individual will have their own unique aspirations and goals and what they choose to do with their life. In the same society, some will find freedom that others will regard as oppression because one only wants to do things they are free to do in that society, while the other has ambitions prohibited in that society. To be free, the second individual will have to find a different society.
Those immigrant entrepreneurs I described earlier as being free, are examples of those who are able to live their lives by their own choice and effort, not looking for or desiring anything from anyone else except what others find of value in their services and products. Earning one's own way without either dependence on others or restrictions imposed by others is freedom.
There was an ironic truth in my earlier response. Most people really do not want to be free. It terrifies them. They need the comfort of believing they belong to something, some group (their heard or hive perhaps), that will keep them safe and provide whatever they are not certain they can provide themselves. They have so little confidence in themselves, they are terrified of making all their decisions on their own, longing for some leader or expert or authority to tell them what to do. It is very difficult to explain to those who really don't want freedom exactly what freedom is. They don't really want to know.
No one tells me what to do or how to live, and I'm a person who doesn't take kindly to being told what to do. I don't think any of the laws here are unreasonable. All they do is make life possible for a lot of humans who are forced to live together and to try and make that work.
Better still, go and live in the jungle (if you can find one). Unfortunately that will encroach on the 'freedom' of genuine jungle dwellers to carry on their lives unhindered by a wanky human intruder.