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Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:50 am When reason is off the table, what's left really is only power. "In the face of madness, rationality is powerless.

What has this got to do with post modernism?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:53 am

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:34 pm The power dynamic remains even if how they get to it is nonsense. A truth-teller will get the same amount of objections as the post-modernist imagination gets, because society at large doesn't have an adequate epistemology either. It's a power game no matter who's actually right.

And so, who has the real power to tell people what the truth is (not to be confused with telling people the truth)?
Who has the access, control? Who runs the 'fact checkers'? Who dominates in most media? Who can marginalize and call crazy positions it does not like? Not in a monolithic, perfect way, but well enough to create the dominant ideas?

The man who has the Gatling Gun or equivalent has the 'real' power.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:22 pm The man who has the Gatling Gun or equivalent has the 'real' power.

I would say it is the person who can get public or government opinion to get that person, with the modern equivalent of the Gatling Gun, to aim that where they want. The actual people holding those guns, or even the officers ordering those guys, are way down the the line from the real power. They are technicians doing what they are told.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:40 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:22 pm The man who has the Gatling Gun or equivalent has the 'real' power.

I would say it is the person who can get public or government opinion to get that person, with the modern equivalent of the Gatling Gun, to aim that where they want. The actual people holding those guns, or even the officers ordering those guys, are way down the the line from the real power. They are technicians doing what they are told.

That is why nation states want nuclear weapons

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:47 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:17 am

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:50 am When reason is off the table, what's left really is only power. "In the face of madness, rationality is powerless.

Advocate,

I believe Post-Modernism is wrong because they do not understand how acquired meaning is obtained by a conscious subject and that this is biological dependent. There is variation between the health and well-being of the individual biologies thus a difference at times of perception and understanding which means one person's truth is not as good as any other person's statement of truth. To the individual truth is experienced knowledge, to the group it is agreement of experienced knowledge.

I concur. My version - We are each an embodied mind with a unique perspective on Reality. Reality-to-us is a filtered sub-set of Actuality. Reality is consensus experience.

Advocate,

Reality or truth to the individual is his experience, to the group it is agreement, one might say the agreement is somewhat of a safe guard.

Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:47 am Reality-to-us is a filtered sub-set of Actuality.

If there is some mysterious, "actuality," you can only have a, "filtered," awareness of, how did you ever come to know of its existence?

Even if some defect in your consciousness does not enable you to be aware of existence as it actually is, you cannot know what anyone else's conscious experience is.

There is absolutely no reason to believe the existence one directly perceives is not actual existence as it actually is and no evidence whatsoever for it being anything else.

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Reality-to-us is a filtered sub-set of Actuality.[/quote]
If there is some mysterious, "actuality," you can only have a, "filtered," awareness of, how did you ever come to know of its existence?

Even if some defect in your consciousness does not enable you to be aware of existence as it actually is, you cannot know what anyone else's conscious experience is.

There is absolutely no reason to believe the existence one directly perceives is not actual existence as it actually is and no evidence whatsoever for it being anything else.
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Despite that our experience of Actuality is real, it is both low-resolution accurate and yet also filtered. Those filters; biological, cultural, and psychological only indicate Actually by translation; by accounting for filters and perspective, not of Actuality itself.

Advocate,

[/quote] I believe Post-Modernism is wrong because they do not understand how acquired meaning is obtained by a conscious subject and that this is biological dependent. There is variation between the health and well-being of the individual biologies thus a difference at times of perception and understanding which means one person's truth is not as good as any other person's statement of truth. To the individual truth is experienced knowledge, to the group it is agreement of experienced knowledge.
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I concur. My version - We are each an embodied mind with a unique perspective on Reality. Reality-to-us is a filtered sub-set of Actuality. Reality is consensus experience.
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Adovcate,

Seems we are mostly on the same page. As Spinoza would say, the body is the idea of the mind, but when the biology is ill or damaged or just somewhat different so to, is ones personal reality/read apparent reality.