The Riots and the Establishment Response

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Here's a part of Cameron's speech regarding the Riots. (15/08/11)

Quote:

"Do we have the determination to confront the slow-motion moral collapse that has taken place in parts of our country these past few generations?
"Irresponsibility. Selfishness. Behaving as if your choices have no consequences. Children without fathers. Schools without discipline. Reward without effort.
"Crime without punishment. Rights without responsibilities. Communities without control. Some of the worst aspects of human nature tolerated, indulged – sometimes even incentivised – by a state and its agencies that in parts have become literally de-moralised.
"So do we have the determination to confront all this and turn it around? I have the very strong sense that the responsible majority of people in this country not only have that determination; they are crying out for their government to act upon it. And I can assure you, I will not be found wanting."

With the exception of the part in RED, he could just as easily been talking about the BANKING community.

So what is the difference between rioting youth and bankers? The youth are labouring under the tragedy of having little or no moral guidance, whilst the bankers are still being incentivised but now with OUR money. The youth is being vilified whilst the bankers are still being valorised.

So here is the revised speech towards banking.

Quote:

"Do we have the determination to confront the slow-motion moral collapse that has taken place in parts of our financial community these past few decades?
"Irresponsibility. Selfishness. Behaving as if your choices have no consequences. Reward without effort. A lack of moral orientation despite having all the advantages in life of stable families and the best schools.
"Crime without punishment. Rights without responsibilities. Corporations without regulation. Some of the worst aspects of human nature tolerated, indulged – sometimes even incentivised – by a state and its agencies that in parts have become literally de-moralised.
"So do we have the determination to confront all this and turn it around? I have the very strong sense that the responsible majority of people in this country not only have that determination; they are crying out for their government to act upon it. And I can assure you, I will sadly be found wanting, with my fingers in the till like the rest of Parliament."

Thundril · **Posted:** Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:19 pm

Nice work Chaz!

Thundril · **Posted:** Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:21 pm

(Notice the glib connection of Rights and Responsibilites.)

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Thundril wrote:

Nice work Chaz!

No problem

Typist · **Joined:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:12 am **Posts:** 3330

I would like to go on record here as being in favor of shooting bankers too. :lol:

Wootah · **Joined:** Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:43 am **Posts:** 2451

Chaz you are an enabler.

None of these looters had just cause.

I wonder what else we can change the topic to. When I get off my iPhone I'll try rewriting the speech as well.

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Wootah wrote:

Chaz you are an enabler.

None of these looters had just cause.

I wonder what else we can change the topic to. When I get off my iPhone I'll try rewriting the speech as well.

No, i'm not enabling anyone. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in society.

I am also pointing out a certain irony in his words. On the one hand such terms used to abuse 'youth' and some sections of the 'broken' community, are exactly the terms used with which to promote capitalism.

You can't blame individuals for the whole of the riots. 90% of the crimes were still petty theft.

Michael Gove blames the parents for not providing a 'moral compass". Where was HIS moral compass when he defrauded the public purse of £7000? Why did he get away with it unpunished?
The riots are bad and I am not condoning them. But ask yourself about proportionality. Why is it that a boy who stole £3.50 worth of water, has lost all his benefits, and his family has been thrown out of their home?
Why is it that a boy who stole a pair of trainers got 6 months, when a Labour MP, found guilty of £24,000 of public fraud only got 4 months?

Why is it that bankers continue to be rewarded for the wholesale destruction of the economy and the lives of millions?

chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Typist wrote:

I would like to go on record here as being in favor of shooting bankers too. :lol:

As I am on ignore, let me remind you that your posts are not welcome on any thread that I start.

Rortabend · **Posted:** Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:46 am

I would never get tired of punching Michael Gove in the face.

Typist · **Joined:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:12 am **Posts:** 3330

Typist wrote:

As I am on ignore, let me remind you that your posts are not welcome on any thread that I start.

Let me remind you that you are responsible for your own reading experience, and I could give a shit what you read or don't.

Ron de Weijze · **Posted:** Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:19 pm

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Typist · **Joined:** Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:12 am **Posts:** 3330

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chaz wyman · **Joined:** Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:31 pm **Posts:** 10592

Rortabend wrote:

I would never get tired of punching Michael Gove in the face.

I agree - that would just never get old.

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