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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:12 am 
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Arising_uk wrote:
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[2d] If crack was divine, Hippies were devout, sure.
I thought this a recent fad? You mean freebasing?



He's talking BS. I think he has confused Crack with some other drug that was ACTUALLY IN USE during the 1960s - crack wasn't


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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:15 am 
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Ron de Weijze wrote:
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... I meant to refer to whatever they smoked or sniffed, from glue to cocaine.
I also thought solvent abuse a new fad?
Nothing new about it.



But "CRACK" is pretty new. It was not in use in the 1960 and not common until the mid 1980s, being a cheap derivative of cocaine.

But I don't expect a person that blames hippies for societies ills to know much about what happened in the 1960s.


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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:33 am 
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chaz wyman wrote:
Ron de Weijze wrote:
Arising_uk wrote:
I also thought solvent abuse a new fad?
Nothing new about it.
But "CRACK" is pretty new. It was not in use in the 1960 and not common until the mid 1980s, being a cheap derivative of cocaine. But I don't expect a person that blames hippies for societies ills to know much about what happened in the 1960s.
Don't we all hit the breaks when it comes to the likes of us? Indeed, LSD was the product of the day.


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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:35 am 
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Ron de Weijze wrote:
Don't we all hit the breaks when it comes to the likes of us? Indeed, LSD was the product of the day.



And of course the ubiquitous cannabis.
But I don't recall Heidegger or Sartre taking either.

Foucault is reputed to have taken Peyote late in life - but I don't think he self-identified as a "hippie"


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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:39 am 
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thalarch wrote:
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. . . Hippies went for postmodernism, known for relativizing and nihilizing (Heidegger, Sartre, Foucault, Ricoeur, Irigary, Baudrillard, Levinas, Derrida, Lyotard, Kristeva). . . . Obviously you were not living in Amsterdam in the 60s. . . .

Oh, the continent version of them, then. That is, lacking some of the driving stimuli of various socio-political unrests in the Anglophone world, any voids were replaced by emphasis on "homegrown" philosophy. Hipster evolution came around full circle, I suppose. From the Wandervogel movement migrating across the pond, mingling with Lost Generation after-effects and Kerouac beatitude, to Haight-Ashbury, to London influences to across the channel and making its de-evolved highlight in Europe by Ray Manzarek taking over singing duties in Amsterdam after Jim Morrison topples on stage from one of his dope/alcohol binges. Paraphrasing Grace Slick (Jefferson Airplane) from an interview: "No performer ever used EVERY pill and substance handed to them by crowding fans prior to a concert. Except Jim."

No, "de-evolved" was an unjust choice above, suggesting an undeserved fallout upon the rest of the Doors. Manzarek did a great, unexpected, on-the-spot imitation of Morrison while still doing double-duty with the keyboards; professional, minus a sign of desperation. :roll:

Manzarek is one Hippie I like. Coming to think of it, when they maintained their faculties, I always like them. When they risky-shifted, I don't. It is okay to experiment, but not beyond the point of no return on the road to despair.


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 Post subject: Re: I didn't choose this life...
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:59 pm 
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Ron de Weijze wrote:
Manzarek is one Hippie I like. Coming to think of it, when they maintained their faculties, I always like them. When they risky-shifted, I don't. It is okay to experiment, but not beyond the point of no return on the road to despair.

Speaking of some others, quantum computation and encryption arguably owe a debt to the hippie physicists. Over the last couple of decades we've all probably seen one of Fred Alan Wolf's books or Jack Sarfatti posting around in usenet. Surely accompanied by thoughts of "What crackpots!" by some readers. Yet these and the rest have some degree of historical vindication as members of the group that kept entanglement alive and viable:
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-hippie-days-countercultural-scientists-physics.html


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