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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:40 pm 
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In theory, I support the death penalty for people who commit crimes that cry out for such justice. However, my lack of faith in the law-enforcement and justice systems, in both the developed and undeveloped world, because of these systems’ propensity to wrongfully accuse, charge, try and convict innocent people (obviously usually men) has turned me against a state’s legal ability to utilize capital punishment.
My skepticism towards law-enforcement and justice systems is based primarily on my own wrongful conviction: I myself was wrongly accused and found guilty of possessing alcohol as a minor about 25 years ago: The two officers who’d perjured themselves by knowingly falsely testifying that they’d apprehended me with alcohol had written down in their “particulars” that the offender had brown hair and blue eyes, whereas I have red hair and brown eyes. These blatant contradictions alone should have cleared me of the false charge, which might explain why my counsel had such a difficult time getting the accusing officers to bring to court their written description of the actual person they had apprehended. (Years later, an old friend told me that he was sure that I wouldn’t get caught in a web of police lies when he’d given the corrupt cops my name and address; sincerely apologizing, he reimbursed me for the fine I had to pay). But even with all of the evidence in my favour—which included an alibi who swore under oath—the judge still found me guilty.
Of course I cannot compare my case (a wrongful liquor-possession-as-a-minor charge and conviction) to that of a false accusation of capital murder; however, my experience seems to indicate that no police charge is too trivial for the ‘justice’ system to wrongly convict.

Frank G. Sterle, Jr.
White Rock, B.C., Canada


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 1:12 pm 
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Help me out.
There is one word in your above post that I didn't understand;
friend ?


Frank, is Canada now making it legal to possess small amounts of weed on oneself?


An event that happened 25 years ago must have left quite a mark?




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Why do you post ugliness?


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I think it's a beautiful conclusion to a wonderful day!

The epitome of justice.

...and in relation to FrankGSterleJr's case I think that even he would have to admit there's evidence all over the place in that photograph.

Not Justice denied but justice served!


Sweet, sweet justice!






I know Frank would admit it.


We ALL know that feeling....


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there is a beauty to it.





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 Post subject: Re: Justice denied ...
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:48 pm 
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FrankGSterleJr wrote:
In theory, I support the death penalty for people who commit crimes that cry out for such justice. However, my lack of faith in the law-enforcement and justice systems, in both the developed and undeveloped world, because of these systems’ propensity to wrongfully accuse, charge, try and convict innocent people (obviously usually men) has turned me against a state’s legal ability to utilize capital punishment.
My skepticism towards law-enforcement and justice systems is based primarily on my own wrongful conviction: I myself was wrongly accused and found guilty of possessing alcohol as a minor about 25 years ago: The two officers who’d perjured themselves by knowingly falsely testifying that they’d apprehended me with alcohol had written down in their “particulars” that the offender had brown hair and blue eyes, whereas I have red hair and brown eyes. These blatant contradictions alone should have cleared me of the false charge, which might explain why my counsel had such a difficult time getting the accusing officers to bring to court their written description of the actual person they had apprehended. (Years later, an old friend told me that he was sure that I wouldn’t get caught in a web of police lies when he’d given the corrupt cops my name and address; sincerely apologizing, he reimbursed me for the fine I had to pay). But even with all of the evidence in my favour—which included an alibi who swore under oath—the judge still found me guilty.
Of course I cannot compare my case (a wrongful liquor-possession-as-a-minor charge and conviction) to that of a false accusation of capital murder; however, my experience seems to indicate that no police charge is too trivial for the ‘justice’ system to wrongly convict.

Frank G. Sterle, Jr.
White Rock, B.C., Canada


The triviality of your case is no indication of the unreliability of more important cases.
Justice is pretty rough.

Sadly it id the job of a policeman to get convictions. The rest is luck. If they think they can make it stick they can charge as many people as they like until they get one that does. It use to be that victims (that is us) of police scrutiny were immune to a second prosecution under double jeopardy legislation, but now even that has been washed away with habeus corpus.. You need to get lucky with your lawyer, and lucky to find an honest prosecutor.

I've never supported the death penalty. I consider that a single mistake is not a fair price to pay. It is only fair to assume that the single mistake would have ME or a lived one swinging by the neck - I think this is the only fair way to look at it.
But life imprisonment is a small price to pay to avoid such mistakes.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice denied ...
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:41 pm 
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But since we are on the subject....
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Its the stream through the nose that makes this picture.


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GREAT POST Chaz you conceptualized EXACTLY what I had wished to-except I didn't think I could do it.

Almost like you were reading my mind.
Strangely weird...

I hope if FrankGSterleJr maintains this thread he would concur.





Again, GREAT insight and delineation!


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Super follow-up photo on your subsequent post!



Yeah, the hose-nose effect NAILS it!





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 Post subject: Re: Justice denied ...
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chaz wyman wrote:
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But life imprisonment is a small price to pay to avoid such mistakes.
Hmm... but many think the issue is that life imprisonment does not appear to be that anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice denied ...
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What I (somewhat ironically) failed to mention in my original post was the real philosophical dilemma involved in society's pro- and anti-death-penalty issue: Is the execution of innocent, wrongfully-convicted men a worthy sacrifice in order to punish, as sentenced, those who have earned their date with the hangman -- whatever the accurate ratio would be (e.g., hypothetically, one out of every ten executions being the result of flawed/perjured evidence and thus the execution is/was wrongful and unjust)?
The fact that eliminating capital punishment can result in (again, hypothetically) a three-time murderer sentenced to "life imprisonment" somehow attaining (usually after many years) his freedom and murdering again (and, of course, it can and has happened) would have to be permanently rectified (i.e., "life" literally becomes life) before the death penalty can made into naught but a thing of the past.


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 Post subject: Re: Justice denied ...
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:30 am 
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'...there is nothing wrong with the death penalty if you trust your legal system implicitly and no one but a moron trusts the legal system...'

~Neil Gaman, American Gods. Fantastic modern-classic fiction x


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