Yes I think that is the case and also Marcel believed the same and he speaks of the body in his philosophy also. But isn't motion and action of the will?
Yes but Gurdjieff would give the will control over all – thought, feeling and movement. The analogy is a hansom cab with the horses as the emotions, the driver as the intellect and the cab as the body. There is a passenger who you might call the will. Gurdjieff reckons that most people have a drunk driver, a dilapidated cab, out of control horses and nobody in the passenger seat.
I think Heschel was speaking to a man's personal acquired "vision of the good", that is only gradually revealed to or through his mind by the ongoing process of self reflection at ever deepening levels of understanding.
Is this different from Plato’s idea of the good? Heidegger seems to interpret Plato’s idea of the good as ‘suited to’ or some such, rather than there being any idea of morality in the term.
Bullwinkle, I don't know if you have made this connection but my understanding of "The Little Prince" is all about Man's search and also his non search for Being.
I can’t remember now but I have found my own copy and will get back to you.
The greatest hindrance to knowledge is our adjustment to conventional notions, to mental cliches. Wonder or radical amazement, the state of maladjustment to words and notions, is, therefore, a prerequisite for an authentic awareness of that which is.
I prefer the term understanding, which I’m told goes back to the Elizabethan theatre. Apparently those who stood in the pit around the stage were said to ‘under-stand’ the play. I can go with ‘knowledge’ though. Isn’t Heschel talking here about what children have and which it is all too easy to lose as an adult. Isn’t this why Jesus wanted people to come to him as little children?
Standing eye to eye with being as being, we realize that we are able to look at the world with two faculties-with reason and with wonder. Through the first we try to explain or to adapt the world to our concepts, through the second we seek to adapt our minds to the world.
I like Heidegger’s take on this. The ‘view’ as a forking between having-present and making-present. The making-present would be reason projecting our expectation beyond what we have-present. The tension between the 2 is necessary but it brings in the potential to mis-take what is had-present. Untruth enters in place of truth. I suspect that as we get older life can become more routine and making-present begins to dominate having-present and it is in having-present that wonder is found.
Re-awakening the wonder of childhood may be about learning to waver in the gap between the made-present and the had-present to give the latter a little more room to show itself as what it is and not as what you expect.
A philosophy that begins with radical doubt ends in radical despair.
No philosophy of radical doubt can be true to its programme. All doubt relies on a suite of things that are not doubted and thus undercuts its radicalism.
I have been thinking, what exactly is it that we are attempting to accomplish or discover in our search for being? I think the following may somewhat express it. We are at some level and mostly an unconscious level I suspect, desiring or trying to see the unseeable, to know the unknowable, not visually, not ntellectually but experientially.
No it is not an easy task! I can’t remember exactly what you meant by ‘unconscious’. We are surrounded by ‘being’. ‘Being’ is not what is seen but what is seen by. I am quite consciously trying to quicken my wonder and to enter into relationships with beings where they and I are increasingly unhidden. I am trying to remove the distortion and deconceal both them and I. I seek to know, in the sense of to ‘be’ unhidden with, what I can have-present to me. What I seek to know is all around me but as yet unknown in its essence because this process of deconcealment is not sufficiently advanced. Through knowing beings and being in relationship to them I should come to know myself.
That is what I am seeking. As you say it is experiential.
I have some questions for you. This is an experiential process and not always easy to talk meaningfully about. What do you seek? How do you seek it? Is there a process or discipline that you use to seek? Have you made progress – are you closer to your goal? How do you know? What is the role of this thread for you? Is this thread making progress?
Alright a lot of questions!