spike wrote:
I don't think it matters much anymore if the Church discriminates against gays, because gays and the world have moved on, beyond the constraints of the Church. Life can be lived without the Church. And for many gays who remain religious, they have adjusted and learned to reconcile their life style with the dogma of the Church, accepting some doctrine and discarding others.
Today's gays are existentialist whose live style is not going to be crimped by some orthodox institution like the Church.
Spike, no offense, (ok some offense), but this is a completely ignorant and self-centered viewpoint. I responded to your other post about this, where your apparent evidence for this belief is that you went on a cruise and there were gay people there that weren't being actively beaten by anyone. As I responded there, you should first look at the rest of the world outside of the U.S., like in the middle east for instance, where people are executed or have their genitals cut off by the church if they are gay. Being shot in the head definitely "crimps your style". In the U.S., off of cruise ships and in the real world, gay bashing is alive and well, with thousands of school children being beaten with tacit approval from local churches and schools. The Mormon church spends billions of dollars, a huge chunk of its income, in lobbying the government to ban rights for gays and in launching hugely expensive media campaigns to demonize gay people. Across the middle U.S., the right-wing radio shows are all talking about how everything bad in the world is the fault of gays. The Westboro Baptist church is the new media darling, picketing funerals and funding hate speech campaigns. There is a huge epidemic of gay children committing suicide, especially in the midwest, where they are taught that they are an abomination in the eyes of God and a failure to their family. Thirteen year old kids living with hyperconservative families are not "existentialists whose life style is not going to be crimped by the church". The Church is all these people know. Gay kids only grow to see that the church is an institution based on hate and ignorance
if they survive that long, and manage to move away from their family and all former friends, abandoning their lives completely to try to start a new life in a more liberal area like the big cities. This is something that requires financial independence and education and the ability to stand up against everything and everyone you were raised with, something that many kids in the midwest are not going to be able to do. This is a problem.
As I said before, if you really believe it's not a problem, then prove it, and go to Iran and try to hit on some fundamentalists.
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..I think militant gays like to make a crisis out of a drama..in other words big deals out of small change 
