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Voegelin, Eric wrote:Again, the determination of this area of agreement will permit us to fix the point at which Marx departs from Bakunin. Marx does not share the primordial lust of destruction with his rival, nor the absence of any idea of order. He is willing to guide the revolution by providing it with a “scientific” system of social theory and a “philosophy” of history. In this respect, the organizing will of Marx, his dictatorial intellectualism, is related to that of Comte. Bakunin, on the other hand, heartily detests both Marx and Comte because their "authoritarianism" would limit his lusty passion for destruction by visions of responsible, ordering action. Moreover, Marx goes beyond Bakunin in defining the, proletariat as the specific agent of the revolution instead of the vague "poor classes”, “masses” and “real people.” In the 1860’s, when Marx is engaged in laying the groundwork for an international organization of the proletariat, Bakunin still indulges in romantic pamphlets glorifying the Russian robber. Nevertheless, while at the end of their lives the scientistic, authoritarian socialism of Marx and the anarchistic revolutionary existence of Bakunin have moved far apart, we should be aware of the common beginnings. The Marxian line of revolution was successful because of the elements that were missing in Bakunin, but the system of Marx would never have been written and never exerted its influence unless it had originated in the genuine pathos of revolutionary existence that we find in its purity in Bakunin.
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Voegelin, Eric wrote:The starting point for the independent movement of Marx’s thought seems to be a gnostic position which he inherited from Hegel, specifically, the Marxian gnosis expresses itself in the conviction that the movement of the intellect in the consciousness of the empirical self is the ultimate source of knowledge for the understanding of the universe.
Faith and the life of the spirit are expressly excluded as an independent source of order in the soul. Moreover, this conviction is from the beginning accompanied by an attitude of revolt against ‘religion’ as a sphere which recognizes the existence of a realissimum beyond human consciousness. This is the Marxian position as it appears in his doctoral dissertation of 1840-41.
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Voegelin confirms the Gnostic connection between all three Abrahamic variants and Communism, through Marx's Jewish heritage.
Voegelin, Eric wrote:The attitude of revolt becomes historically effective through the fascinating program of incarnating the logos in the world by means of revolutionary human action. For Hegel, the logos (reason) was incarnating itself in reality, and because reason was in reality its manifestation could be discovered through the reflection of the philosopher. His philosophy, of history was a contemplation of the actual unfolding of the Idea in reality. Never could the unfolding of the Idea be made the intention of human action. We should be aware in particular that Hegel’s definition of the great historical figure as a person whose actions are in conformance with the movement of the Idea is not a recipe for becoming great historical figure by producing this conformance at will. Nevertheless, this is precisely the perversion in which Marx indulged. Hegel’s gnosis was contemplative. Instead of abandoning gnosis and restoring true contemplation, Marx abandoned contemplation and translated gnosis into action.
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If ‘god’ is an irrational human construct, then man would become that which is absent – the ideal man.

Voegelin, Eric wrote:This characterization must be qualified, however, insofar as Marx does not conceive the logos as a transcendental spirit descending into man, but as a true ‘essence’ of man which comes into its own through the process of history. Man, that is the true man, must be emancipated from historical encumbrances which still hold him in fetters in order to Achieve his completely free existence in society. The true essence of man, his divine self-consciousness, is present in the world as the ferment which drives history forward in a meaningful manner. At some point, this essence will break through-first in one man, then in a few, until the great revolution will bring the full social realization of true man.
The conception of this breakthrough is substantially the same as in Comte’s realization of the positive mind in one individual through the process of his meditation and the expansion of this personal renovation into social regeneration. The Marxian spiritual disease, thus, like the Comtean, consists in the self-divinization and self-salvation of man; an intramundane logos of human consciousness is substituted for the transcendental logos. What appeared on the level of symptoms as anti-philosophism and logophobia, must etiologically be understood as the revolt of immanent consciousness against the spiritual order of the world.
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Man must become his own god - straight out of Jewish mysticism - because it is inevitable - he has to say in the mater.
Denial of free-will is a way of concealing motive within mystical fatalism - represented as a "ferment" of historical inevitability.
Marx adopts Abrahamism to rebel against nature, promising that this necessary for man to become his own god.
Marxism is a revolution against nature, and the creation of a truly 'free man' - a self-creating man,' only this emancipation must be collective.
American ism promises the same through money and the attainment of the "right" to pretend he is whatever he pleases. Money is divine sanctioning, via the collective's monetary approval.
In Marxism this approval is collectivized and evenly distributed. Not a few chosen but all will be emancipated form nature.
Voegelin, Eric wrote:The Marxian critical practice starts with the critique of religion and it proceeds to the critique of politics and economics. The problem of this systematically second phase has been formulated by Marx in the Kritih der Hegelschen Rechtsphitosophie. ”The critique of religion ends with the insight that man is the highest being for man; this implies the categorical imperative to overthrow all relationships in which man is a humiliated, oppressed, neglected, despised being.” “The critique of religion is the presupposition of all critique.” In the illusionary reality of heaven, man “has looked for the superman”; instead he found the reflection of himself. Now he realizes that he himself is the superman and he will no
longer be satisfied with recognizing himself as the “non-man (Unmensch)” that he formerly believed himself to be. “Man makes religion, not religion man.” “Religion is the self-consciousness and self-feeling of a man who either has not yet found himself, or who has lost
himself again.” This man, however (directed against Feuerbach!), is not an abstract being outside the world. “Man is the world of man,” that is state and society. This social world produces religion “as a perverted consciousness of the world because it is a perverted (verkert) world.”
Religion is the general theory of a perverted world. It gives, imaginary reality to human essence (Wesen) because human essence has no true-reality.” “The struggle against religion is the struggle against that world of which religion is the spiritual aroma.” Religious misery is the manifestation of real misery, and at the same time a protest against it.
Religion is the cry of oppressed creatures – “it is the opium of the people.
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See the connection with Nietzsche’s and Nazism conceptions of Übermensch?
The difference is that Marxism wants to make it a collective program. All will become gods living in their own created realities, not only the few who exploit the many towards this end.
Nature abhors a vacuum and the power vacuum left when Abrahamism’s one-god’ was psychologically assassinated must be filled by a man himself. The only disagreement is over whom and how this status will be attained.
Voegelin, Eric wrote: The last sentences should destroy the assumption (which is frequently made) that Marx was impressed by the actual misery of the worker in his time, and that with the material improvement of the works lot the causes of the revolution would disappear. Social reform
is not a remedy for the evil which Marx has in mind. This evil is the growth of the economic structure of modern society into an “objective power” to which man must submit by threat of starvation. The principal characteristic features which appear on and off in the descriptions
of Marx can now be summarized:
(1) The separation of the worker from his tools. This characteristic is determined by industrial technology. No man can individually own and operate the tools of modern industrial production. The ‘factory or,
generally, the ‘place of work’ cannot be the ‘home.’
(2) Job dependence. This characteristic has the same determining cause. No man can earn a living in an industrial system unless he finds a job in some ‘enterprise’ which assembles the tools for production and markets the product.
(3) Division of labor. No man can produce any whole product. The process of production must be centrally planned, and the single worker is confined to the phase in the process assigned to him. Marx was very much aware of the supreme insult to human dignity which lies in the
fact that at the end of his life, when a man summarizes what he has accomplished, he may have to say: all my life I have spent in cooperating in the production of a certain type of Grand Rapids furniture and thereby degraded humanity in myself and others.
(4) Specialization. This characteristic is intimately connected with the preceding one. Even if the total product is not an insult to human dignity, the productivity of man has no appreciable range for unfolding if his work is confined to a small sector of production on which as a
whole he has no influence.
(5) Economic interdependence. No man can live a whole life if his existence is permanently threatened, not by natural catastrophes as in the case of a peasant, but by social actions beyond his control - be they new inventions, or the closing of a market through a tariff, or miscalculation of management, or change in customers taste, or a general economic crisis.
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All socioeconomic systems necessitate central control.
The difference between them is the method and the degree.

Humans are social organisms, they cannot exist outside groups, except for some notable exceptions that prefer the hermit lifestyle.
Anarchism fails because it cannot survive in a world where some other group practices more authoritarian methods to muster and direct a group's aggregate energies.
Anarchists are mostly parasitical individuals who prefer to believe they've not bought into conventional beliefs so that they can exploit those that have.
Marx's dream was for a spiritual revolution, imagined as an 'evolution of human psyche, liberating men from the exploitation of others.

Unfortunately, exploitation is part of nature.
In Marxists contexts, herbivores exploit the work of plants, and carnivores exploit the work of herbivores.... and children exploit their parents.

But in nature shared genes means that a beta male, unable to compete with other males, may find solace in participating in the upbringing of a wolf pack's puppies who share its genes.
In the past the tribe's poor shared blood ties with the leader/king, and a heritage.
This is no longer the case in modern ethnically/racially, culturally, heterogenous systems, where the bonding principle is often an abstract ideal, such as "liberty", or "god."
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Erudite gibberish is still just gibberish.
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mickthinks wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 7:41 pm Erudite gibberish is still just gibberish.
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Memetic evolution....

From Gnosticism, Zoroastrianism, to Abrahamism, and then to secular forms of the same....Marxism, Postmodernism...
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