Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:34 am
Since I'm not timeless and the universe isn't timeless, the only timeless truth which remains is there is no such thing as a timeless truth. The most timeless truths are generally those which in their default state negate themselves, only seeming timeless in their longevity.
Timeless truth doesn't need a timeless mouth to speak it as proof of discovery. Timeless truth can remain undiscovered, since there's no need that it MUST be discovered, until there is. Even then, the discoverer must relinquish his or her grip on conceptions held dear and proven false by the timeless truth discovered, or else the timeless truth denied has only the utility of nagging one into doubts and goes by the name of something like ... agnosticism.
The question is, once discovered must the timeless truth be spoken or affect action in order to exist as other than as a rattle in the noggin? In the world of science, that confinement to the noggin really wouldn't give it any objective validity now, does it.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:54 pm
A truth is a thing that is a positive relationship between the state of affairs as it is and the description of the state of affairs.
THe degree to which those things are in agrement the more "truthful" it is.
GIven that truth requires tow things. A situation to be observable and an observer. This is a temporal requirement and so the idea that there could be such a thing as a "timeless truth" is false.
Who does the towing, the observed or the observer? Or, is the dichotomy a false assumption, as might be an assumption to correct your spelling?
(Did I just speak truth according to the rules of correlation that were discovered and expressed by you?)
Walker wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:08 am
- Eternal truth means to be ever-present. As Sri Ramana Maharshi said to Sri H.L. Poonja, of what use is a God that comes and goes?
..and one might say back to Poonja, since when should God be required to be always utiltarian?
Since when should God be required to always be useless?
Nobody Answers: When one replaces God with The State ... for whatever reason. Then, cause and utility are whatever The State declares, but pay attention because The State is fickle and determines your tickle.
Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:34 am
Since I'm not timeless and the universe isn't timeless, the only timeless truth which remains is there is no such thing as a timeless truth. The most timeless truths are generally those which in their default state negate themselves, only seeming timeless in their longevity.
"All I know for sure is, I am. All else is inference."
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:34 am
Since I'm not timeless and the universe isn't timeless, the only timeless truth which remains is there is no such thing as a timeless truth. The most timeless truths are generally those which in their default state negate themselves, only seeming timeless in their longevity.
"All I know for sure is, I am. All else is inference."
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:59 pm
.......
without any big ''eternal, timeless'' truths to live by, we have just smaller
personal values in which we hold as guides to our personal life... holding
to small, personal values, as a ''way of life''.. not big dramatic eternal
truths... but small personal truths....
What is critical is how humans can translate the human-based FRSC truths into utilities that can contribute to the positive and optimal well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and humanity.
Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:59 pm
.......
without any big ''eternal, timeless'' truths to live by, we have just smaller
personal values in which we hold as guides to our personal life... holding
to small, personal values, as a ''way of life''.. not big dramatic eternal
truths... but small personal truths....
What is critical is how humans can translate the human-based FRSC truths into utilities that can contribute to the positive and optimal well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and humanity.
I'll have a bargain bucket with fries and a coke, while you're here, VA.
