American Marxism

[Wizard22]

C'mon, prom, you know how dumb the average prole, blue-collar worker is... they can't organize. They can barely organize a strike. Plus all the unions were busted by the ones who claimed to defend them (Democrats). Now there aren't even unions anymore. At least, the ones who still exist, sold out and became Corporate slaves, settling for crumbs.

It's always the same with you Commies and Marxists... the proles always always always sell-out for beans.

Do you want to know why Hitler's National Socialism succeeded where Soviet Communism failed???



Because people are motivated by Blood and Kin, more than they are motivated by Money.

Marxism cannot account for that. Your premises are flawed. Your ideology lost. You still haven't accepted it.

[mickthinks]

The only way to be a genuine marxist …

lol Dunno what the hell u think that is, bro, but it sure as hell ain’t a description or a defence of Marxism.

[promethean75]

Workin man are ya, Mickey?

[promethean75]

"C'mon, prom, you know how dumb the average prole, blue-collar worker is... they can't organize. They can barely organize a strike."

That's just propaganda. The proles prove every day that they can run a business or factory without the owner having any presence there. The wage and salary worker is the engine of the business, whatever it is. They do everything bruh.

This is what u must consider:

1) anything an owner does manually to run his business is part of a skill set.

2) workers possess all business running skillsets and get paid to use them by employers, e.g., in administration, management, production, finance, etc.

3) nothing an owner does, or can do, to keep his business going, couldn't be done by an employee.

What then does the owner contribute to the chain of production. Capital to finance it. That's it. That's the only thing he can do that his employees can't. He's not a special type of entrepreneur with a superhuman skill set. There are computer programmers making thirty-five an hour who would run circles around your homeboys Musk and Bezos with skill sets.

So then the capitalist's financing of the business means only applying capital gained from sales toward maintaining or expanding the business further. So then the workers are doing what's producing the capital to run the business with? Why then is there a third party here, an owner who just handles the money but doesn't make any of it?

Property rights, that's why. We need to fully corporatize all worker industries so that the workers get a bigger cut... then we transition into a modern soviet style direct mandate/recall vertical government.

I'll have a car there to pick u up at 5:00. Expect to stay a.week, so pack accordingly. You'll be on the plane to Moscow by 8:00. An agent will meet u on the plane with the documents. 'He will aks u 'how about those red sox'. U will reply 'I don't watch baseball'.

[mickthinks]

A shitposter posing as a Marxist remains a shitposter.

[promethean75]

Fair enough, but don't let my tasteless shitposting hooliganism detract anything from what Marx, Karl thought.

[Wizard22]

"C'mon, prom, you know how dumb the average prole, blue-collar worker is... they can't organize. They can barely organize a strike."

That's just propaganda. The proles prove every day that they can run a business or factory without the owner having any presence there. The wage and salary worker is the engine of the business, whatever it is. They do everything bruh.

This is what u must consider:

1) anything an owner does manually to run his business is part of a skill set.

2) workers possess all business running skillsets and get paid to use them by employers, e.g., in administration, management, production, finance, etc.

3) nothing an owner does, or can do, to keep his business going, couldn't be done by an employee.

What then does the owner contribute to the chain of production. Capital to finance it. That's it. That's the only thing he can do that his employees can't. He's not a special type of entrepreneur with a superhuman skill set. There are computer programmers making thirty-five an hour who would run circles around your homeboys Musk and Bezos with skill sets.

So then the capitalist's financing of the business means only applying capital gained from sales toward maintaining or expanding the business further. So then the workers are doing what's producing the capital to run the business with? Why then is there a third party here, an owner who just handles the money but doesn't make any of it?

Property rights, that's why. We need to fully corporatize all worker industries so that the workers get a bigger cut... then we transition into a modern soviet style direct mandate/recall vertical government.

I'll have a car there to pick u up at 5:00. Expect to stay a.week, so pack accordingly. You'll be on the plane to Moscow by 8:00. An agent will meet u on the plane with the documents. 'He will aks u 'how about those red sox'. U will reply 'I don't watch baseball'.

I don't know prom...I always simplified Marxism/Capitalism down to Employer/Employee relationships. Have you ever considered hiring a few Mexicans and running your own contracting business? OH NO! You'd be a Capitalist then, Subjugating and Enslaving the working man, depriving him of his "entitlements"?!

Isn't that ridiculous, c'mon...??

[promethean75]

To speak truthfully, i have no problems of conscience paying someone to work for me becuz I'd pay them high wages, giving them the opportunity to make more per hour than elsewhere. So while i claim that a marxist model would be more ideal for society and the world, until such a time occurs, i am justified in using the advantages of the free market to hire employees. Especially if i pay a competitive wage.

But I turn down jobs i can't do alone, anyway. I don't wanna expand bro. I'm a bachelor blowin in the wind. I'll never have a house or a family so no real financial obligations. I live like a spartan minus the gay stuff and have lived out of hiking bags for decades. Longest I've ever been on a lease was a few months before something happened and we had to move. Rented a single room in a boarding house for about a year back in 95ish. Other than that, I've lived out of a volkswagen westphalia, truck and a Chevy gladiator conversion van. For like ten fifteen years straight man. I would follow the work seasonally and would plan my moves accordingly. High altitude mountains in the hot summer and the beach in the winter.

There is nothing about me other than what will become my 'old age' to stop me from wanting to move about. I've simply never stayed in one spot for long before i moved... even in my younger years when i was custody hopping between parents.

But most of my life post-adolescence has been spent avoiding rent and credit and all that shit and either living out of a vehicle or paying someone to rent a room or use a couch. The entire decade of my 20s was spent couch hopping in a college town, out of a camper van in a college town, or in an apartment briefly with one or more people before we couldn't make rent or some such thing forced us to leave.

All this becuz of my refusal to work as much in a labor intensive industry (framing houses) for so little. I became accustomed to working for brief stints, making a few checks, and then quitting, not to work again for weeks or months, depending on how much money i had. This kind of frequency of work did not permit me the finances to obligate so much money to 'rent'. I reasoned, i could live off eight hundred for a month and just find a legit place to shower.

Needless to say I've never acquired any serious savings in my life. My assets consist of a few vehicles and I've never had medical or dental insurance. Lived off food stamps when i first got out of five month county bid i did, and gladly so. The government owed me anyway. That's how i saw matters, so i felt no shame for eating for free for a few months.

As u can see i am, was, once a simple man. Sumthin u love and understand. A modest hourly construction worker at odds with and weary of the 40 hr work week ethos, fated to live as a transient vagabond going wherever he could find work becuz he refused to settle down somewhere, become a company man, and pay two weeks wages to someone renting him a building or room to dwell in.

I simply lost the desire to start paying middle age attention to the importance of the wealth, credit and assets that would secure my future when i was no longer able to work. Nihilists don't think (or care) that far into the future bro.

But no I've not got any capitalist gusto to get rich. I just need a couple cool rides and some new Merrells and I'm good.