Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
See, I could treat every one, as an individual, while still disliking, distrusting, and/or disrespecting any or even all of this individuals at the exact same time. Surely, doing this is 'not stable' in your view, right?
Yes, you can, so the answer is no. The keyword here was "
unlikely". Dislike and even distrust can and will likely always occur,
But, considering that 'dislike' is not occurring NOW by everyone, your claim that 'dislike will likely always occur' is already False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect. And, will remain so while not everyone is 'disliking' anyone.
Also, the 'unlikely' was not the so-called 'keyword' as it was not in the quotes of yours that I was actually responding to.
See, what you wrote and claimed here was:
'Treating other individuals not as individuals but in group generalized terms is unstable, because it gives individuals reasons to dislike and distrust each other.'
I asked you a clarifying question, which then admitted that, actually, one could treat every one as an individual and still dislike and/or distrust any individuals. So, this was the 'key message' that I wanted to get clarified, and get across here.
And, now that I have done that, the new 'key message' that I want to relay and get across here 'now' is that because I do not dislike any one, your new claim about dislike will likely always occur is already False.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm
but if individuals can overcome them then there is no problem.
When, and if, you find out and discover, or learn, and understand what the 'problem' word actually means and/or is actually referring to, exactly, then you will see and know how that there is, literally, no problem at all here.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm
How likely is that to occur, though?
In regards to 'dislike', then considering that there is not one that I 'dislike', then this has already occurred. And, in regards to 'distrust', then when you human beings stop being 'dishonest', then 'distrust' will also disappear as well.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm
Civility is about the actions taken, which can be stable or unstable.
Okay. And I was just pointing out that by just treating every human being as an individual human being is not an action that will necessarily create nor cause a so-called 'stable environment' at all. For the reasons that I have already provided.
Although the 'stable environment', which you are talking about and referring to here, can be caused and/or created through a rather simple and easy process, for its full potential to be Truly recognized and noticed would take a generation, but from then on it would a Truly exponential process.
One just needs to discover, or learn, and understand the 'how-to' for a 'stable environment' to come about, and to fruition.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
Hang on, when did 'granting rights' ever come 'into the picture' here?
And, who and/or what, exactly, has 'the right' to 'grant rights', anyway?
Rights are granted and enforced by other people, that is, governments.
And, again, who and/or what, exactly, gave governments 'rights' to 'grant rights', anyway?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm Because societies are run by governments,
Some might be, but not all are.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm rights are an important tool to achieve civility.
Well considering the actual fact that since 'governments' have come into human society, the actual 'natural rights' of individual human beings has been decreasing and/or diminishing.
'governments', which are run on 'money', and thus 'rely on money', are the best things in Life to be 'handing out' or 'granting' 'rights' to you human beings.
Unless, of course, one has been 'indoctrinated' to believe so.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm Without equal individual rights, civility becomes very difficult or even impossible.
And, who and/or what is the main instigator in 'taking away' 'individual rights', mostly, throughout the whole earth?
In case you are unaware, the answer is; 'governments'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
There are a few different things to 'look at', and 'delve into' here.
1. If a 'civil society' wants to look at, judge, try, and see individuals as adults or as children, then an 'age' when one becomes one from the other has to be sorted out, agreed upon, and accepted by absolutely every one, first.
2. Who formulates, hands out, and decides upon the results of any or all tests of so-called 'adulthood' here?
3. If patience is really a virtue, then this could just be explained and taught to young children who could understand this, exactly. Of course, only if adults were being patient, with them, and thus showed them what True patience really is, exactly, through and by examples. Also, understanding that patience is a virtue in absolutely no way at all means that the one with the understanding will 'just be patient'.
1. "by absolute everyone" translates to "the government" in democratic societies.
And, it is those so-called 'democratic societies', run by so-called 'democratic governments', in the days when this is being written, who have are still causing the most Wrong, and ills, in 'the world'.
Also, 'governments' are not 'run' 'by everyone', 'for everyone'. 'governments' are 'run' 'by some', mostly 'for only some'. Which, very coincidentally, 'the some' being the ones 'running' 'the government' and a select few other, 'friends, family, and/or acquaintances.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm2. If such tests were used, the answer would once again be "the government".
If you want to give and hand over all of 'your power' and 'control' to 'a government', 'run by a few', then by all means you are absolutely free to. But, by doing so, you will never ever live in what you call a 'stable society'.
The only True and Right way that the 'stable society', which you speak of and allude to here, will come about is never by the way you are talking about here now.
The True and Right way is 'another way'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm3. Yes, let us teach everyone the virtue of patience
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Who and/or what, exactly, is the 'us' here that you are suggesting 'teach everyone' here?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm It is very useful especially for youngsters, when there is an age limit on something set by "the government".
But, it is only you adults who are the, only, 'issue' here.
Children copy and follow what they 'see' and 'hear'.
If children 'see' no evil and 'hear' no even, then children will grow up doing no evil, as well.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
But the 'facts' and 'understanding', which are needed here, have already been obtained, and thus are already known. But, obviously, not necessarily by some, nor even most, yet.
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But absolutely every one does agree, exactly, on the 'way of life', which each all want to live anyway.
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1. Trying to 'convince' any one of anything is more or less a waste and fruitless task.
2. If one thinks that is some thing that others need 'convincing' of, then this is a sign that what is thought or believed needed 'to be convinced of' is not that True nor Right anyway. Or, that 'that one' who thinks or believes that is it others who 'need convincing' has still quite some more things to work out, discover, learn, comprehend, and understand "themselves" anyway.
These statements seem to be in conflict. If "facts and understanding" are already known (by you?), but not known by everyone, then how come everyone does agree on "the" way of life?
Because 'the way of life' is 'innately' 'wanted and desired' within absolutely everyone.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmIt is the, "not everyone knows everything" part where convincing comes in.
What do you mean by this here?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmThe first thing is to convince someone that they should look outside of their box and learn something new about the world.
Why does absolutely anyone need 'convincing' of this?
Absolutely every child is born just naturally doing this anyway.
Also, why are you not so-called 'looking outside of your box' and ' learning something new about 'the world' ', right now?
For example, why are you not asking clarifying questions, in regards to some of what I have been saying and/or pointing out here, and learning some new/er things?
Do you need to be 'convinced' that you need to learn new or more things here?
if yes, then how could I or absolutely any one 'convince' you that you need to 'look outside of your own personal box', and 'to learn new things', exactly?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
But how can I get you to be Honest, which is relevant, related to a peaceful society?
You don't need to convince me
, honesty is already one of the three core values of civility.
But just saying what are core values to 'civility' does not in any way mean that you are actually doing those 'core values' "yourself".
Also, just about all already know that, 'Honesty is the best policy', and that 'Being Open', is the best and only real way 'to learn new things', but just knowing these things does not mean that any one is, nor has to be.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmConvincing others can be achieved by gathering examples, from the real world, which show how
dishonesty in particular leads to all sorts of unnecessary conflicts and how
honesty will mend those situations.
Is there absolutely any one who does not yet know this already?
Is there absolutely any one who needs to be 'convinced' that 'dishonesty' is Wrong or that it leads to unnecessary conflicts?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmIn general, dishonest individuals have to keep spending energy remembering their own lies and keep hiding facts which would blow their cover.
If absolutely any adult human being here thinks, believes, or says that they are honest and thus are not dishonest, then they are being 'Dishonest', not just to 'others', but also, and probably more so, to "themselves".
In other words every one of you adult human beings are 'Dishonest'.
And, once you are Truly Honest about this, anyway, irrefutable Fact, then the quicker 'the way of life', which every one wants and desires anyway, can and will come about.
'Honesty', besides, literally, being the best policy, is also, literally, 'the key' to unlocking all of the, previous, meaningful so-called 'mysteries of Life'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmThis kind of work is unnecessary and would be better spent doing something else.
Just about every thing you adult human beings did, in the days when this was being written, was, literally, completely 'unnecessary work', (in and for your learned and obtained and gained insatiable desire and want of 'more money'), which would have been better spent doing something else, like, for example, protecting, caring for, and guiding your children on and into what is, literally, Right and good, in Life. In other words 'loving them' properly and Correctly.
However, evolving into and up to 'learning' the 'how-to' to make and create 'the life', that every one Truly wants and desires, is just 'a process', which could not and can not be hurried. All things 'take time', and 'Peace in Harmony with and for every one' is just another 'thing', which 'takes time'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
So, to you, if someone just chooses to not do what is conducive to a peaceful society, then they can just 'value other things' anyway, right?
In practice, yes, but, as said, that might not be maintainable.
So, if one just 'values money', which is obviously not conducive to a Truly 'stable environment and society' for every one, to you anyway, they can just 'choose' to do that instead, and 'in practice'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm In other words, other individuals are likely not going to take a beating lying face down and, for instance, put the non-peaceful person in prison. "You get what you deserve", as the saying goes.
How, exactly, is putting human beings in locked caged prison cells conducive to a Truly 'Peaceful and Harmonious world', for every one?
What you are saying 'to do' here, or 'to put into action' is just what is already happening and occurring here, 'now', when this is being written. Which is obviously very far removed from a Truly 'stable environment/society'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
So, if every one was just Trusting, Respecting, Understanding, Empathizing, being Loyal (Honest), Open, and doing so completely unforced absolute Voluntary Enthusiasm, then, to you, this would not create and cause peace and harmony, and thus create and cause 'civility' as well, right?
No. "If everyone did X" is not a good argument,
So, to you, if every one was doing 'X', which is what is needed for Peace and Harmony to prevail for every one, then even doing 'X/what is needed' will not cause nor create what 'it' will cause and create.
Are you sure of this?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmbecause just about every ideology would become practical that way (yes, even Anarchy!)
This does not, logically, follow.
If 'the goal' is create a so-called 'stable society', and 'what is needed' to create 'the goal' becomes known, what you are now saying or implying is that even if 'what is needed' to create 'the goal' was done, then 'the goal' would still not 'come about', right?
If you are not saying nor implying this, then what are you saying here, exactly?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmYour original claim seemed to be written from the perspective of a single individual, so the answer is still no. This individual would get abused.
I do not know what you are talking about and referring to here.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
But how does one leave earth? The whole collective human society in the days when this is being written, which was and is caused and created by adult human beings, is one that no child wants to be born into, and have to live and endure within.
Despair is a choice.
So what?
What is this in reference to, exactly?
Abusing is a choice also.
And, 'despair' would not even be 'a choice', if there was 'no abuse'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm
I see plenty of differences between current societies when it comes to civility.
So what?
Also, will you list these 'plenty of differences', which you, supposedly, see between 'current societies', when it comes to civility?
Obviously, none of the 'current societies', in the days when this is being written, besides maybe only a very small number, are actually 'civil'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
I never saw the word 'blindly' above here. So, why did you introduce that word here, 'now'?
"treating
absolutely every one with Trust, [...] Enthusiasm" is blindness.
Okay, if you say and believe so.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm When no differences between individuals are taken into consideration, vision is no longer needed.
Obviously, you have yet not read and comprehend the actual words that I said, wrote, and used here.
Why would you even begin to presume that 'no difference between individuals are taken into consideration'?
Could this be because of 'blindness', also?
Or, do you not suffer from this 'condition' at all here?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
Also, there are no evil individuals existing. Everyone human being is an individual, correct?
And, unfortunately some forget or disregard that fact and end up treating other individuals based on superficial simplifications or group based generalizations, (for example, some separate individual human beings into False and/or Wrong group based generalizations like; 'evil' and 'good'), right?
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Why, among adult human beings, in the days when this is being written, it is always 'they', who do wrong or who are evil? It is never ever 'us' nor 'me'?
Here's a somewhat pedantic definition for evil, off the top of my head:
Deciding, with self-awareness, to use actions which harm other individuals despite having other actions available, which achieve the same goals without harming other individuals.
Individuals who behave in this way have existed and do, unfortunately, still exist.
So, 'you', have personally, 'grouped' 'some human beings', into another 'grouped based generalization', and so from then on 'look at' and 'see' 'that group' and 'all of those', which you have personally 'placed' and/or 'put into' 'that group' as 'the same', right?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm No need to make any simplifications or group based generalizations to prove that fact. Because evilness lies in decision and action, anyone can be evil and also stop being evil. Nonetheless, the reason for evilness might also be permanent (psychopathy).
So, what is the reason why you do 'evil things'?
Or, are 'you' another one of 'those' who consider "themselves" to not be in 'that group' of 'those' 'who do evil things'?
Which, once again, brings 'me' back to, 'Why do so many adult human beings consider that it always 'them' or do Wrong or evil, and/or are bad or evil people, but never ever even just consider that what they, "themselves", are doing could be bad, Wrong, abusive, or evil?
Maybe you could enlighten to the readers here why you are one of 'these people', who do this very thing here "mr. civility"?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
1. Once one has 'power' of another one, then 'civility' has already gone.
2. Demanding absolutely anything from another means 'civility' has also already gone.
I would claim the opposite. As long as power differences (dependencies) between individuals exist, civility is needed to achieve peaceful coexistence.
So, well to this one anyway, 'power' and 'control' over 'others' is needed for a 'civil and peaceful existence'.
Now, there is absolutely no wonderment at all as to why actual Peace and Harmony for human beings took so, so, so long to come about and be achieved.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmOnce every individual becomes completely independent from each other, then civility is no longer needed
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So, well again to this one anyway, once every individual new born is completely independent, from every other individual human being, then civility is no longer needed.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm Everyone could do whatever they
wanted, because nothing
needed to be done together anymore to keep everyone alive.
I am not sure how this one thinks new born individual human beings can keep alive, this way.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
What you are doing, which countless have before you, is expecting and/or demanding 'others' do and behave in 'a way' that 'you want'.
What I "want" is irrelevant.
Really?
If yes, then why is 'you' desperately trying to argue for 'convincing' 'others' of what you see is 'good and/or right', and also what you 'want', 'now', supposedly, irrelevant?
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm This is about what is "needed" for peaceful and stable coexistence.
If so, then just say and write down, what you 'see' and believe, is 'what is needed', exactly, for a 'peaceful and stable coexistence', and then 'let us' decide to 'see' if this is what 'we' agree with and accept, as well.
Previously you talking about 'convincing' others of some things, comes across as you 'wanting' to 'take control' and 'have power' over others. Which, let us not forget, is one of the things that you say is 'needed' for a 'peaceful and stable coexistence', too.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAll I can do, as an individual, is to spread the word and try to convince others (voluntarily) to act accordingly.
The words 'convince others, voluntarily, to do some thing' is a contradict of terms and/or an oxymoron.
Now, considering that I have already partly explained how a Truly peaceful, harmonious, and stable existence can, and will, come about, while also explaining, partly, 'what is needed' for this existence, how about you start informing 'us' readers here 'what is needed', for 'a peaceful and stable coexistence'.
So, then 'we' at least have some thing to 'look at', and 'discuss' here, for now.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm Demands are usually not taken well by people and expectation alone without education is mere wishful thinking.
Okay. So, how about you start 'just listing' 'the actual things', which you perceive are needed, for 'a peaceful and stable coexistence', and then start explaining how 'those expectations of yours' can and will be 'educated' to 'the people'?
So far, you talking about 'convincing' others of things has not been helping you here.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
So, for example, I 'demand' 'civility' from you, and you 'decide' you will not do what it is that I 'demand', then what happens, exactly?
I don't like demands.
So, you 'now' claim this, but you also did write:
Civility, on the other hand, works once all individuals who want to live in peace (80%, 90%, 95% of the population?) demand civility from those who use political, social and economic power.
So, besides the obvious contradiction here, there are many things Wrong here, on many fronts.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm I would ask you to explain what you mean by "civility" and how acting according to it would improve my life as well as the lives of others. If you made a reasonable case, I would likely change my behavior, thank you for the useful information and spread the idea to others who could benefit from it.
1. Instead of saying or writing, 'I would ask you ...', I suggest that you 'just do ask ...', as this will show me that you really are interested. Saying, 'I would ask ...', can be inferred as that 'you would', IF other things existed.
2. you started this thread by saying and writing;
My goal in life is to defend and advocate for civility (which according to my own formulation includes a lot of philosophy) in any all all ways possible be it online or offline in writing, speech, art, what have you.
3. Now, if you really would like 'me' to explain what 'I' mean by the 'civility' word, then firstly, I would probably very rarely, if ever, use 'that word' in relation to what creating and causing a Truly peaceful world for every one. But, to me, the word 'civility' just means or just refers to a
form of formal politeness and/or courtesy in behavior or speech, and not much else. And, to me, acting according to 'this' might improve your life, as well as the life of others, only in that there might not be as much resentment or as much dislike as there is among you and others 'currently'
4. Also, I am not 'here' to change your behavior. To me, how you behave or misbehave is your choice alone, and solely up to you, alone.
However, if anyone would like to discuss how a Truly 'peaceful and harmonious world' , for every one, as One, can be and will be reached and achieved, then I would love to discuss this.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
Oh, and by the way, the only actual 'other group' here is the separation between 'children' from 'adults', but this done more so when 'looking at', making sense of, and 'discovering' actual morality issues in Life.
Only older human beings do dislike and/or distrust other individual human beings. And, they only do this because of Wrong and/or False teachings, which they had to endure through, from even older human beings, who were taught, and thus had learned, the exact same Wrong and/or False things that lead up to disliking and/or distrusting each other. They are just teaching what they were taught, for they had, yet, come to know better.
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But, absolutely every young child, that is 100% of them, just make things absolutely clear here, want to live in peace. And, let 'us' not forget that absolutely every one of your adults was once one of those children.
You seem to have some kind of an idea (or ideology even) behind these responses centered around the concepts of child/adult and their differences.
Not just do I seem to have some kind of an idea, I actually do have 'an idea'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmThis would be a good time to explain the factual (or assumptive) foundation behind this line of
thinking, which you seem to be doing.
It might be a 'good time', but I think 'here', in this forum, is not a 'good', or at least the 'best', 'place'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm
- Why is distrust and dislike only a learned/taught phenomena, which children are otherwise incapable of?
No new born human baby distrusts nor dislikes absolutely any one, because they have had no previous reason to.
For example no new born baby is going to dislike nor distrust another human being who puts a breast or bottle full of milk in front of them. And, no young child is going to distrust nor dislike another human being after the child has, for example, accidentally thrown a ball through a window. And, when a child is asked, 'Who did this?', every child will respond with 'Me'. However, as soon as that child is yelled at, ridiculed, humiliated, punished, or any other 'negative emotion' is felt, then that child has quickly, and very quickly, learned, and thus been taught, to not like and/or also to not trust that other human being. And, the amount of dislike/distrust the child then becomes to have depends on how much ridicule, yelled at, punishment, et cetera that child had to endure through.
No child has a fear of the Truth nor of being Honest, that is; until they learned, and/or were taught, to. No child also has a dislike nor distrust of another human being, that is; until they learned, and/or were taught, to.
And, the dislike and distrust of 'others' can be learned and taught just from, over, hearing adults talking about the dislike and/or distrust that they have, for 'another/others'.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm[*] Why does every young child want to live in peace?
1. For the simple answer, 'Would any child not want to live nor be in peace?', and, 'Why would any child not want to live in peace?'
2. Was there ever a time in your younger childhood that you did not want to live nor be in peace?
3. But for the Truly 'why' answer here one might need to delve down into the 'genetic make up' within the 'human being'. And, the best way 'this' might be 'seen' and understood is 'within you' "yourself", an adult human being. If you found a starving child, of any age, for example, at your front door, then is there any so-called 'fiber' in your whole body' that would 'want' to not bring that child inside, not feed them, and not be peaceful with them, or, would you 'want' to bring about discord and/or discomfort to them in some way?
If your answer is, 'No', here, then 'this make up' of being a 'human being' is, well to me, anyway ingrained within 'what being human' naturally really is.
To live in peace and and in harmony with one harmony is 'ingrained within' what 'being human' 'naturally is'.
After all, each and every one of 'us' absolutely 'needs' others for our very own survival, and this goes from birth to the time of, what is Wrongly called, 'death'. Now, of course, some one might be thinking that as 'an adult' 'we' do not 'need' another for our own survival, but, there is absolutely no purpose being alive, in 'this world', if you could not share it with another. Even if one is living in 'the wild', alone, if they are not 'sharing' that existence' with 'another', even if 'the other' is a bird, squirrel, or a mouse, or even a flower/plant, for example, and watching 'it/them' grow and survive/thrive as well, then what purpose is there for living, and being alive?
Living 'with' 'others', in peace and in harmony, is an 'instinct' built within what 'being a human being' is, exactly. Well, to me any way.
If anyone knows of a young child who does not, or did not, want to live in peace, then may be they could be presented for 'observation/questioning' to find out 'why not?'
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pm[*] Where do you draw the line between child/adult, young/old?
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To me, there is no 'young' nor 'old', but there is certainly 'younger' and 'older'.
And, as for 'adult' and 'child' that is certainly not up to me to decide, nor for me to decide upon. To me, that is something that the whole society, is the whole earth or human being society, and not different broken fragments, and which all should agree upon, and once done then accepted, and follow. For example, at whatever age it is decided that one changes from 'a child' to 'an adult', then that is when one changed from not 'having no responsibility' to one 'having all responsibility'.
Which, like everything I mention and talk about here needs to be delved into further to become fully understood.
Mr. Civility wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 8:59 pmAge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2024 4:40 am
But the distinction between what are 'needs' and what are 'just wants' is already known, and well understood, also.
If this is what you think or believe, then you are a very, very long, long way off knowing the actual distinction between 'needs' and 'wants', and what is actually needed to create an ever-lasting Truly 'civil' peaceful and harmonious life for, and with, every one.
What human beings 'need', individually or collectively, is the exact same thing. And, what human beings 'need' is absolutely certainly not what is done to maintain society, based on the 'current situation' at all. In fact the exact opposite is True.
And, if you or absolutely anyone would like to delve further into this, then that would be absolutely great.
There is no need to beat around the bush with allusions. Do delve deeper directly
But, I could go on and on and on, delving deeper, and deeper, and deeper.
However, if no one is listening, because they are not Truly interested, then there was no need for me to.
If, however, if one is Truly interested in what I have to say and explain here, then they will come up with the 'specific things', which they Truly want to learn, and/or discover. here.
Now, if you would really like me to 'delve directly' into some 'thing' here, then I suggest that you just say what 'that' is, exactly.
Until then, since I was talking about 'needs' and 'wants' of human beings here, (among other things), then 'human beings':
Need;
air, water, some nutrients, 'love'. (Please do not forget that the 'love' word is not yet agreed upon, nor 'known and understood fully' among you adult human beings in the days when this is being written, let alone known from 'my perspective' of things, yet), and shelter maybe? These are what you human beings 'need' to live and survive.
Just about everything else that are perceived as 'needs' are just 'wants'. Which are, obviously, not needed for your continual survival and existence.