Atla wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:57 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2024 4:53 am
Kant argued there is nothing real out there to mirror with.
However, Kant stated, it is very
instinctual and natural [an evolutionary default]for the majority to do the mirroring of the phenomenal with the 'speculated' unreal noumenal.
While there is no issue with 'thinking' about the noumena, it is serious mistake to reify the noumenal as real, that would only result in an illusion.
Kant was an idiot of a special kind, plain and simple (if that's what he said). The healthy and pragmatic thing to do is to reify the noumenal objects that can be confirmed to exist beyond reasonable doubt.
Once we understand indirect perception, we have to return to treating the appearances in a naive realist fashion, acting as if they were 'out there'. But this time deep down we are aware of the actual appearance vs thing-in-itself dichotomy. It's by far the best solution for life.
(But you lack the capacity to comprehend what I wrote, carry on.)
Yes, that is what Kant said in his CPR.
When reality is out there independent of the human conditions, it can be anything, e.g. an independent God, soul, the independent universe, ghosts, spirits, evil spirits and all sorts of evil beings where they cannot be verified and justified as real by Science [FSRK] which reliance is restricted to observations, measurements via induction.
Such narrow thinking also generate all sorts of dilemmas, paradoxes, contradiction and antinomies.
The best solution is a human-based reality [FSRK-ed] which is controllable within humans themselves as such generate the most optimal and best solutions for life.
You are ignorant of the limitations of your beliefs.
If so, list the pros and cons of your belief and show you have a net-pros over the cons in view of future progress for humanity.
How can your mind-independent noumenal be optimal and best solution for life when you have no control over reality in some ways but is left totally to the mercy of what is external?
The most your belief of a mind-independent noumenal is to soothe the cognitive dissonance from an existential crisis which is insufficient to promote greater goods to humanity in the future.