Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:34 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:19 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 5:09 pm
No they are not.
The first four are a bloody waste of time.
When you could be making commandments; to not wage unjust wars or to protect children, women and other vulnerable people from abuse, you throw away nearly half your commandments on getting on your knees for god.
PS.
DO not forget this winter.
BREAK NOT THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT, lest yea burn in hellfire
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The commandments have varying 'version' numbers 1 through 10. The original Torah i think had more than 10.
Also one was though shalt not murder (translated from Hebrew) - not 'kill'.
What is this fifth one you are referring to?
Also, re "to not wage unjust wars or to protect children, women and other vulnerable people from abuse"
..maybe that stuff was a given, common sense..didn't need to be explicitly stated.? Just an idea.
The problem is that the is no "TEN COMMANDMENTS" written anywhere in the bible.
Fifth is "Graven Images".
How and no - not common sense to protect women and children - oh and slavery.
Child abuse, misogyny and slavery have occupied the majority of Chrisendom. And still exists.
In fact I would go so far as to say that the movements against slavery, misogyny and child abuse go right along with the challenge of religion, secularism and the rise of atheism.
PS are you trying to say that we need 4 to tellus to worship god because that in NOT common sense???
You are correct re
10 Commandments..
Exodus 20:2-17 (King James Version):
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deuteronomy 5:6-21 (King James Version):
6 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
17 Thou shalt not kill.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
I love the bit about not coveting someone's ass!!!