This clearly answers the question: "Why does mathematics appear to have both discovered and invented qualities?"

What is the basis for reason? And mathematics?

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roydop
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Re: This clearly answers the question: "Why does mathematics appear to have both discovered and invented qualities?"

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When the theory can't be proven incorrect the personal attacks begin.

Not one of you have shown how it is not possible for mathematics to be the incorrect interpretation of the message that is the number system. It's self-evident that the state of MESSAGE going through INTERPRETATION, is a state that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities. My theory states that math is exactly that. So my theory states that math is the incorrect interpretation of the message, and that condition exhibits both discovered and invented qualities.

Only consciousness that has been deeply brainwashed (no differently than that of a cult) is incapable of recognizing the importance of this.

How about disproving my theory instead of calling me names?

Humanity is headed toward a literal hell and it's because the message that has been implanted to help consciousness out of its delusion has been misinterpreted, again. You and all of humanity is trapped in a time loop that you are unaware of. I'm trying to help you out of it. But, like a cult member, you refuse to try to understand because the truth at this point is just too painful to accept.

I wish you all well. Thought free Awareness is home. When you feel lost and helpless, find salvation and peace there

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Atla
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Re: This clearly answers the question: "Why does mathematics appear to have both discovered and invented qualities?"

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I haven't seen my cat-footprint-matrix theory disproven either. Therefore it is fact. I've shown the doorway to human immortality and all I get is dismissal and ridicule. How far humanity has fallen..
Iwannaplato
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Re: This clearly answers the question: "Why does mathematics appear to have both discovered and invented qualities?"

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Atla wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:10 pm Hm spiritual narcissism of the Eastern variant.. I think IWP particularly dislikes that one
You could say that. It's timing. In the West Christianity has undergone many changes and challenges: the reformation, Nietschze type attacks, secularism, atheism, etc., and also a turning towards Eastern systems and away from C. Because these belief systems are non-Abrahamic, they often get swallowed without chewing. And so there have cropped up leaders and gurus in the West who either do understand or partially understand these Eastern approaches and even secular people take them on because they seem to lack metaphysical positions - it's not true, but it seems that way.
You get your celebrities
https://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php/Li ... _Buddhists
but also the Sam Harrises and others like him, Western intellectuals who want the spirituality without God and supernatural stuff.

Christianity gets its ass kicked, for example, where Buddhism is very alive and kicking in intellectual circles.

And then all the combinations by the self-discovered would-be gurus like roydop that blends in Hinduism also. Not that he necessarily sat down and studied Hinduism, but the memes are crawling around all over the place, so he ends up with something like an idiosyncratic combination.

So, it's more acceptable, especially in intellectual circles. Less decades of getting its ass kicked.

Less people who realize how antilife these religions are.
roydop
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Re: This clearly answers the question: "Why does mathematics appear to have both discovered and invented qualities?"

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ABSTRACT:

“Is mathematics discovered or invented?” is considered to be the deepest, most important philosophical question about mathematics. It is the contention of this paper that an answer to the question: “Why does mathematics exhibit both discovered and invented qualities, in superposition?” is a deeper resolution to the original conventional question than a direct answer to the question. The original question reveals ignorance about what mathematics is.

The reason why the question: “Is mathematics discovered or invented?” is worded thusly, is because mathematicians feel math as being in a superposition of both discovered and invented. The question subtly introduces the assumption that math must be one or the other and then bases its enquiry on this assumption. This paper seeks to answer the question that relates directly to the experience of the mathematician, not on an assumption the mathematician takes. The mathematician feels that part of what they are engaging in is discovered (beyond her/his control) and part of what they are engaging in is created (controlled by her/him). Because the mathematician is incapable of imagining a state that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities, the way in which she/he forms the question makes the answer impossible within the framework of the question. The question "Is mathematics discovered or invented?" cannot be answered because math is a condition that is both discovered and invented. Mathematics exhibits both discovered and invented qualities simultaneously and yet mathematicians don't ask why it appears this way. Why not?

This paper is able to ask the appropriate question: “Why does mathematics exhibit both discovered and invented qualities, in superposition?” because it discovered what math is. From that understanding/model, a state emerges that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities. It came to roy dopson that the natural number system is a message and that math is the misinterpretation of that message. THEN, AFTER, LATER, roy dopson recognized that his theory's description of mathematics, describes a state that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities simultaneously.

A RESOLUTION TO THE QUESTION: "WHY DOES MATHEMATICS EXHIBIT BOTH DISCOVERED AND INVENTED QUALITIES, SIMULTANEOUSLY?" NATURALLY EMERGES FROM THE THEORY OF ENLIGHTENMENT'S DESCRIPTION OF MATHEMATICS.

If you are a mathematician, for God's sake, drop everything you are doing and put all of your focus on understanding this! What mathematics IS has just been revealed! This revelation resolves the question: "Why does math exhibit both discovered and invented qualities, in superposition?" It also concludes mathematics. The perspective taken upon acceptance, shows evidence that math itself is an algorithm that will never find conclusion ("halt" computationally). Gödel's incompleteness theorem is implicitly showing us that math itself is a dog chasing its tail. The Theory Of Enlightenment makes that explicit.

The most important revelation in history is staring you in the face.

To see it you must suspend all that you have learned and all of your beliefs.

ARGUMENT:

The Theory Of Enlightenment states that this condition of simultaneously exhibiting both discovered and invented qualities, is due to it being the interpretation process of a discovered message. A message is created with the intent of it to be discovered. A message that has been discovered and is going through the interpretation process, is a condition that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities, in superposition. The ongoing manipulation of the information within a message, in the attempt to correctly interpret the message, manifests as the invention aspect of the superposition.

A message that has been discovered and is going through the interpretation process, is a condition that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities, simultaneously.

The Theory Of Enlightenment states that the natural number system is the message of Samsara. It is a linear expression of a cyclical process (think of a clock that goes to 9 instead of 12). The message is a map of Samsara and where human consciousness is in it. From this perspective numbers have meaning and purpose, whereas there exists no meaning or reason within the current conventional understanding of mathematics.

The number system is a message implanted within consciousness to assist consciousness out from the delusion created by symbol. In order for the message to be recognized it must be presented via symbol, which is the very system that projects the illusion/delusion. This nuanced endeavor is the same process as the de-programming of a cult member from the beliefs that have been implanted by the cult leader.

In the attempt to interpret the message (the number system) so that it adhered to the materialistic, dualistic western, science-based world view, ‘quantity’, via the 360 page ‘proof’ within Principia Mathematica, was invented. This is science’s attempt to explain WHY mathematics exists. It is an attempt to explain the reason and meaning of numbers.

And it’s wrong.

A model is supposed to make something easier to understand. An accurate model should be simple, elegant, and it should resolve the problems that present within incorrect models. The 360 page ‘proof’ does not explain to the average human, why math exists and it doesn’t resolve the question: “Why does mathematics exhibit both discovered and invented qualities, simultaneously?” How then, is it correct? It is taken to be correct because of the intensive programing procedure we call: “Learning mathematics.”

The meaning of numbers and the functioning of mathematics is clearly, simply, elegantly expressed in the Theory Of Enlightenment’s description of mathematics. It also resolves the question: “Why does math exhibit both discovered and invented qualities in superposition?”

The number system is a message that has been discovered and mathematics is the ongoing attempt to correctly interpret the message by continuing to use the initial incorrect interpretation (the invention of “quantity” via the 360 page ‘proof’) as the base. Mathematics continuing expansion into ever-deepening levels of abstraction is evidence that it is in fact, incorrect at the most fundamental level; the level of “counting”/”addition”/”quantity”.

This paper is not refuting the fact that mathematics “works”, it is stating that mathematics works as a tool of Maya/ignorance that pulls Awareness deeper into delusion. A message directly created and implanted within consciousness, by the creator, is going to be the most powerful and compact information possible. So yes, the manipulation of this information will result in the manifestation of an infinite amount of patterns. Following this path, as humanity has done, has resulted in the manufacturing of technology which has human consciousness helplessly addicted to that technology (esp. the screen).

CONCLUSION:

The very specific condition of MESSAGE going through INTERPRETATION, is a state that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities, in superposition. The Theory Of Enlightenment states that the number system is the message that has been discovered and that mathematics, beginning at “counting”/”addition”, is the ongoing attempt to interpret the message by using the initial incorrect interpretation. This is a condition that resolves the question: “Why does mathematics exhibit both discovered and invented qualities?”

The description of mathematics (why it exists and it’s function) presented by the Theory Of Enlightenment, describes its state as the ongoing incorrect attempt at interpreting the message that is the number system. This is a state that exhibits both discovered and invented qualities, in superposition.

How is it not possible, then, for mathematics to be exactly this? If it cannot be proven that math can’t possibly be the incorrect interpretation of the message, and it is self-evident that the interpretation process of a discovered message exhibits both discovered and invented qualities in superposition, then why can’t the Theory Of Enlightenment be correct? It can’t be correct in the mind of the mathematician because of the bias of the mathematician’s belief system/world view. This theory will not be rejected and ignored due to insufficient evidence or lack of reasoning, it will be rejected and ignored because it reveals all that is false, and all that is false turns out to be everything that every mathematician takes to be correct.

Mathematics is, and has been, mathematicians chasing their tails. The tail is technology.

The greatest mathematician of whatever history remains, is the one that recognizes this theory as correct and presents it to the world. We are headed toward an extinction/singularity and this theory reveals the path.
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