Circularity in Morality

Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?

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Veritas Aequitas
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Circularity in Morality

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Here is ChatGpt [with reservations] on the OP
Re: Circularity within human nature and morality?
Is there any possibility of linking circularity within human nature and morality.
If yes, please give examples.
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Yes, there is a possibility of linking circularity within human nature and morality. Morality, which deals with questions of right and wrong, often involves complex and interrelated processes that can exhibit circular patterns. Here are a few examples of how circularity can be linked to human nature and morality:

Moral Development and Socialization: Human moral development often involves circular processes. Children initially learn moral values from their parents and society. However, as they grow and become more independent, they may question and challenge these values, leading to moral exploration and potential changes in their moral beliefs. This process of learning, questioning, and revising moral values can be seen as a circular path.

Moral Dilemmas: Moral dilemmas often involve circular reasoning because individuals must weigh competing moral principles. For instance, the classic moral dilemma known as the "trolley problem" forces individuals to choose between two morally conflicting options: allowing a trolley to continue on a track to harm one person or diverting it to harm five others. This dilemma highlights the circularity of moral reasoning, as individuals must continuously evaluate and reevaluate their moral principles in complex situations.

Ethical Relativism: Ethical relativism posits that morality is context-dependent and varies across cultures and individuals. This perspective acknowledges the circular nature of moral judgments because what is considered morally right or wrong can be influenced by cultural norms, personal beliefs, and social contexts. The circularity arises from the fact that these factors both shape and are shaped by moral judgments.

Moral Justification and Rationalization: In moral decision-making, individuals may engage in circular reasoning when they seek to justify or rationalize their actions after the fact. This is often referred to as "moral reasoning after the fact" or "motivated reasoning." People may start with their desired outcome or action and then construct post hoc moral justifications to support their choice.

Moral Feedback Loops: In societies and communities, moral norms and values can be reinforced through feedback loops. When individuals conform to prevailing moral standards, they receive positive feedback, which can strengthen their adherence to those standards. This reinforcement loop can contribute to the stability and persistence of moral norms within a community.

Moral Identity: An individual's moral identity is often shaped by their past moral choices and actions. As they identify with certain moral principles and values, they may be more likely to act in accordance with those principles in the future. This continuous reinforcement of moral identity through moral actions can create a circular relationship between identity and behavior.

In these examples, circularity within human nature and morality is evident in the dynamic and evolving nature of moral reasoning, values, and behaviors. Morality is not a fixed or linear process but one that involves ongoing reflection, adaptation, and interaction with various factors, including social and cultural influences. Circular patterns in moral thinking and behavior can help us better understand the complexity of human moral decision-making and development.
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I think the chickens have come home to roost. Classical logic embeds two fundamental facts about being human.

All that exists is existence itself. That's a monism. 1
Logic exists. It adds negation to Truth. That's a dualism.

Where's the fork in time from 1 to 2 ?!?

It's you. This is NOT circular. This exactly how time works.
This is now. Which now? Every now.

We know the past but cannot control it. We control the future but cannot know it. --Claude Shannon


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_problem

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There are a lot of topics and not just one sense of circularity in the OP. It's all over the place.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:06 am Discuss?? Views??
Logic is the viciously recursive presupposition of right (true) and wrong (false).

If you want to remove the circularity - remove the fence between Right and Wrong, True and False, 1 and 0.

https://fs.blog/chestertons-fence/
There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, “I don’t see the use of this; let us clear it away.” To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: “If you don’t see the use of it, I certainly won’t let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it.”
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