Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 11:21 am
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:13 am
I agree, but you're lying if you can't tell the difference between masculine and feminine trans-"men".
I have YET to SEE ANY of 'you', people, here explain the DIFFERENCE between 'man' and 'woman' sufficiently, so WAITING for ANY of 'you' to explain the DIFFERENCE between 'masculine' and 'feminine' sufficiently would probably take a lot longer.
We will just have to WAIT, to SEE.
I think everyone here participating in this thread has at least graduated high school and already knew what those words refer to so didn't feel the need to explain it.
I obtained one of the GREATEST LESSONS in Life WHEN I LOOKED AT this EXACT SAME ASSUMPTION that I was maintaining.
That is; I thought we all KNEW what we were talking about when we SAID and USED words.
That WAS; UNTIL I QUESTIONED "my" 'self', and ASKED, 'What does 'that word' ACTUALLY MEAN?'
Although I ALWAYS thought I KNEW what a 'word' and 'words' MEANT, or REFERRED TO, is was ACTUALLY ONLY WHEN I would QUESTIONED, and ANSWERED, CAME-TO-REALIZE that 'i', and "others", do NOT ACTUALLY KNOW as much as 'we' think we know.
In was FROM the very SIMPLE and EASY act of just LOOKING IN A dictionary that i GAINED a much DEEPER UNDERSTANDING, and a whole NEW PERSPECTIVE.
Now what you just DID here IS one of the VERY REASONS WHY I WANTED TO STOP PRE/ASSUMING ANY 'thing'.
LOOK, the QUESTION and TITLE of this thread IS, 'What is the difference, IF ANY, between 'man' and 'woman'?'
YET besides me, only one "other" attempted to even BEGIN TO ANSWER 'this QUESTION', if I recall correctly.
The reason WHY ANSWERING 'this QUESTION' WAS NOT, (and countless OTHER QUESTIONS ARE NOT) ATTEMPTED to be ANSWERED IS mostly because just like 'you' most adults, at most times, PRESUME or BELIEVE that they ALREADY KNOW 'THE ANSWER/S' and that most "others" DO AS WELL.
But, if ANY of 'you' even just 'TRIED TO' ANSWER, OPENLY and Honestly, even just SOME of the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS POSED and ASKED here, then 'you' would ALSO COME-TO-REALIZE that ACTUALLY 'you' DO NOT KNOW, and can NOT ACTUALLY explain, 'the ANSWER'.
'you', ALL, literally, ONLY 'think' 'you' KNOW, but NONE of you ACTUALLY DO KNOW the ACTUAL DEFINITION/MEANING of over half of the 'words' and 'phrases' 'you' USE. If you DID, AND REALIZED the implications of ASSUMING and BELIEVING, then EVERY 'issue' IN 'philosophical discussions' would HAVE BEEN SOLVED to 'your liking, and IS ACTUALLY HOW ALL 'philosophical QUESTIONS' have ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED, and thus SOLVED.
'you', people, back in the days when this WAS being written, had just NOT YET COME-TO-REALIZE 'this Fact'.
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
But for you, Age, I'll explain to you what everyone here means when they type those scribbles on the screen, "man" and "woman", and even attempt to explain what masculine and feminine mean.
GREAT. THEN we can SEE just how MUCH AGREEMENT there IS.
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
Biological sex is based on a combination of traits:
WHY have you BEGUN with the words 'biological sex'?
We are, or were, talking ABOUT 'man' and 'woman', were we not?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
- chromosomes (in humans, XY is male, XX female)
- genitals (penis vs. vagina)
- gonads (testes vs. ovaries)
- hormones (males have higher relative levels of testosterone than women, while women have higher levels of estrogen)
- secondary sex characteristics that aren’t connected with the reproductive system but distinguish the sexes, and usually appear at puberty (breasts, facial hair, size of larynx, subcutaneous fat, etc.)
Using genitals and gonads alone, more than 99.9% of people fall into two non-overlapping classes—male and female—and the other traits almost always occur with these. If you did a principal components analysis using the combination of all five traits, you’d find two widely separated clusters with very few people in between.
"Man" and "woman" refer to a specific species - humans, and their sexual differences as explained above. Just as there are deer that are bucks and does, there are humans that are men and women.
If you HAD READ what I HAD WRITTEN, BEFORE, then you would HAVE SEEN, and ALREADY KNOW that what you just SAID here IS more or less what I have ALREADY POINTED OUT, and thus EXPLAINED.
SO, IF what 'you' and 'I' ARE SAYING here IS True, then WHAT are ALL of the "others" here DISAGREEING ABOUT, EXACTLY, in relation to THE DIFFERENCE/S between 'man' and 'woman'?
That is; IF the TITLE and QUESTION of 'this thread' has been ANSWERED, and thus IS ALREADY KNOWN, then WHY are 'you', adult human beings, STILL QUARRELING here.
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
These biological differences have an impact on behavior, especially when it comes to selecting mates. Females tend to be pickier than males because they are the ones that have to spend the most energy raising the young, especially among species that are not monogamous. In monogamous relationships, the males tend to hang around and help with the rearing of the children so females tend to be less picky.
All of these are 'speculative', and more specifically your OWN 'speculations'. Unless, of course, you have ACTUAL proof or ANY or ALL of these, which if you do, then will you share 'that proof' here with us?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
Masculinity and femininity are those traits that the opposite sex favors.
LOL
These people REALLY DID have the most 'narrowest' or 'smallest' of VIEWS.
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
For instance a peacock's tail would be masculine, as well as the size and battle prowess of a male elephant seal. Femininity would be those traits selected by males such as the ability to bear and raise children - large breasts and hips and possibly even a healthy dose of altruism and self-sacrifice as females have to spend a lot of their own energy devoted to the survival of others - namely her own offspring.
But, apparently, less so in so-called 'monogamous relationships', right?
Also, what are examples of so-called 'femininity' in 'peacocks' and in 'elephant seals', and, what are examples of so-called 'masculinity' in 'humans'?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
As such, femininity and masculinity can be subjective to a degree as not every male or female will share the same preferences.
So, if 'femininity' AND 'masculinity' can be 'subjective', to ANY degree, then how do ALL of the 'participants' in this forum, who have, MAYBE, graduated high school already KNOW, FOR SURE, what those words refer, AND who ALSO, allegedly and supposedly do NOT 'feel' ANY need to EXPLAIN 'femininity', 'masculinity', 'female', NOR 'male' here?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
As long as the traits have to do with procreation, then I think we are safe in calling them "feminine" or "masculine".
BUT WHO was MAKING ANY PRESUMPTION, or WHERE was absolutely ANY PRESUMPTION being MADE, that the 'traits' of the words 'feminine' or 'masculine' WERE to do with or were in relation to 'procreation' AT ALL?
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:18 pm
For instance, a man that finds a woman that drives a truck and shreds an electric guitar sexy, isn't necessarily a feminine or masculine trait.
To WHO, EXACTLY?
And, so 'what', EXACTLY is a 'feminine' AND 'masculine' trait?
What IS the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE, IF ANY, between 'feminine' and 'masculine'?
IS 'cooking for one's family', or staying home and doing 'such', for example, a 'feminine' or 'masculine' trait?
EXPLAINING the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE between the words 'man' and 'woman' is VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY indeed, and can be done WITHOUT DISAGREEMENT. BUT, is this the SAME with the words 'masculine' and 'feminine'?
According to you, you think EVERY one participating here ALREADY KNOWS, right?
Also, can 'you', participants, here SPOT WHEN a thread is 'thrown out', and is 'TROLLING', for "others", with very specific 'bait', to 'try to' 'hook' SOME, to 'catch', and to 'lure' 'them' IN, COMPLETELY?
If NOT, then those threads are usually the ones where the one who started them is NOT able to CLARIFY NOR able to BACK UP and SUPPORT their OWN words in their OWN opening post through just SIMPLE QUESTIONING and CHALLENGING.