Good call, but I lack the wherewithal to do what you're asking me to do - for some people even simple things are impossible.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:41 pmWhat are "evil spirits", "really"? As far as I know, "evil" is something to be opposed. However, that leaves the question open, "What ought to be opposed"? If we are supposed to oppose "evil" then it might help to flesh out a little better what "evil" is. Any ideas?Agent Smith wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:30 am The question is intriguing to people from all walks in life, but may be of particular significance to those who know what evil spirits really are.
"So you see this is (bang) which means (thump)" said Jonathan, smugly. "Can you repeat that?! We didn't hear a thing! What on earth is going on out there?!" cried someone from the crowd. A diminutive man wearing a grey T-shirt and khaki pants stood up, proclaiming, "I heard everything! If Mr. Jonathan is (clang) then, perforce, we're (bang) and that should (thump). Isn't that awesome?!" "What?!" "Speak louder!" "Someone call the sound guys." "Tell those construction workers to take a 5 minute break for chrissakes!" Silence ... "Er guys, that wasn't exactly what we thought it was!" said a voice. "Why, whatever do you mean? OMG! Run!!!"
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To learn, and teach.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 12:38 amGood for me! (I hope.) What is our "purpose",
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Is there anything in particular that people should learn or teach? Or should people just learn and teach whatever they happen to know or be in contact with?Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 4:50 amTo learn, and teach.
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I suggest learning, and teaching, what is Right in life, as opposed to teaching, and learning, to "justify" those Wrong things in Life that 'you', adult human beings do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:10 pmIs there anything in particular that people should learn or teach?
What will ALSO eventually become CRYSTAL CLEAR to 'you', human beings, IS teaching what is Right in Life IS what IS, ACTUALLY, Right in Life.
But this is what 'you' people do anyway.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:10 pm Or should people just learn and teach whatever they happen to know or be in contact with?
'you' teach, and learn, MANY 'things' that are ACTUALLY Wrong in Life, while learning, and teaching, 'them' as though 'they' are true, right/good, and/or correct when 'they' CERTAINLY ARE NOT.
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OK. What is the "right" thing to teach?Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:48 pmI suggest learning, and teaching, what is Right in life, as opposed to teaching, and learning, to "justify" those Wrong things in Life that 'you', adult human beings do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:10 pmIs there anything in particular that people should learn or teach?
What will ALSO eventually become CRYSTAL CLEAR to 'you', human beings, IS teaching what is Right in Life IS what IS, ACTUALLY, Right in Life.But this is what 'you' people do anyway.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:10 pm Or should people just learn and teach whatever they happen to know or be in contact with?
'you' teach, and learn, MANY 'things' that are ACTUALLY Wrong in Life, while learning, and teaching, 'them' as though 'they' are true, right/good, and/or correct when 'they' CERTAINLY ARE NOT.
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Well if it's a "simple thing" to define what is "evil" then I seem to be incapable of doing the "simple" as well. I guess we're both in a similar boat in that respect. Welcome to my life raft! Feel free to sit wherever I'm not, or if it comes down to it, you're welcome to throw me overboard if there's no other room. I doubt "surviving" is that terribly important anyway. The "winner" only inherits this screwed-up world to contend with. I'm sure the "winner's" children will grow up to quarrel and struggle with each other the same as we do, at least until the Sun explodes or whatever ends the whole ordeal.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:07 amGood call, but I lack the wherewithal to do what you're asking me to do - for some people even simple things are impossible.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:41 pmWhat are "evil spirits", "really"? As far as I know, "evil" is something to be opposed. However, that leaves the question open, "What ought to be opposed"? If we are supposed to oppose "evil" then it might help to flesh out a little better what "evil" is. Any ideas?Agent Smith wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 9:30 am The question is intriguing to people from all walks in life, but may be of particular significance to those who know what evil spirits really are.
"So you see this is (bang) which means (thump)" said Jonathan, smugly. "Can you repeat that?! We didn't hear a thing! What on earth is going on out there?!" cried someone from the crowd. A diminutive man wearing a grey T-shirt and khaki pants stood up, proclaiming, "I heard everything! If Mr. Jonathan is (clang) then, perforce, we're (bang) and that should (thump). Isn't that awesome?!" "What?!" "Speak louder!" "Someone call the sound guys." "Tell those construction workers to take a 5 minute break for chrissakes!" Silence ... "Er guys, that wasn't exactly what we thought it was!" said a voice. "Why, whatever do you mean? OMG! Run!!!"
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Teaching ONLY 'that' which IS True, Right, Accurate, and Correct in Life ARE the Right 'things' to teach.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:54 pmOK. What is the "right" thing to teach?Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:48 pmI suggest learning, and teaching, what is Right in life, as opposed to teaching, and learning, to "justify" those Wrong things in Life that 'you', adult human beings do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:10 pm
Is there anything in particular that people should learn or teach?
What will ALSO eventually become CRYSTAL CLEAR to 'you', human beings, IS teaching what is Right in Life IS what IS, ACTUALLY, Right in Life.But this is what 'you' people do anyway.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 3:10 pm Or should people just learn and teach whatever they happen to know or be in contact with?
'you' teach, and learn, MANY 'things' that are ACTUALLY Wrong in Life, while learning, and teaching, 'them' as though 'they' are true, right/good, and/or correct when 'they' CERTAINLY ARE NOT.
AND, if one does NOT YET KNOW how to DIFFERENTIATE, EXACTLY, between what IS NOT True, Right, Accurate, and Correct FROM what IS ACTUALLY True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, THEN that is a SURE SIGN that that one was NOT been taught what IS ACTUALLY Right, in Life.
SEE, learning HOW to KNOW the DIFFERENCE between what IS Right FROM what IS NOT IS what IS Right, in Life.
'This', however, may not become CRYSTAL CLEAR for some until 'later on'.
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Do you know what is actually "right" in life or do you not? If so, can you teach me? Or if you can't teach me what is "right, accurate, and correct" then what do you want me to do about it? Make a blind guess? Throw darts at an ouija board and pretend they're the right answers for you?Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:20 amTeaching ONLY 'that' which IS True, Right, Accurate, and Correct in Life ARE the Right 'things' to teach.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:54 pmOK. What is the "right" thing to teach?Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 11:48 pm
I suggest learning, and teaching, what is Right in life, as opposed to teaching, and learning, to "justify" those Wrong things in Life that 'you', adult human beings do.
What will ALSO eventually become CRYSTAL CLEAR to 'you', human beings, IS teaching what is Right in Life IS what IS, ACTUALLY, Right in Life.
But this is what 'you' people do anyway.
'you' teach, and learn, MANY 'things' that are ACTUALLY Wrong in Life, while learning, and teaching, 'them' as though 'they' are true, right/good, and/or correct when 'they' CERTAINLY ARE NOT.
AND, if one does NOT YET KNOW how to DIFFERENTIATE, EXACTLY, between what IS NOT True, Right, Accurate, and Correct FROM what IS ACTUALLY True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, THEN that is a SURE SIGN that that one was NOT been taught what IS ACTUALLY Right, in Life.
SEE, learning HOW to KNOW the DIFFERENCE between what IS Right FROM what IS NOT IS what IS Right, in Life.
'This', however, may not become CRYSTAL CLEAR for some until 'later on'.
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YES I DO. DO 'you'?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:27 amDo you know what is actually "right" in life or do you not?Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:20 amTeaching ONLY 'that' which IS True, Right, Accurate, and Correct in Life ARE the Right 'things' to teach.
AND, if one does NOT YET KNOW how to DIFFERENTIATE, EXACTLY, between what IS NOT True, Right, Accurate, and Correct FROM what IS ACTUALLY True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, THEN that is a SURE SIGN that that one was NOT been taught what IS ACTUALLY Right, in Life.
SEE, learning HOW to KNOW the DIFFERENCE between what IS Right FROM what IS NOT IS what IS Right, in Life.
'This', however, may not become CRYSTAL CLEAR for some until 'later on'.
YES. BUT just so you are FULLY AWARE I can NOT teach absolutely ANY 'thing' to absolutely ANY one who does NOT Truly WANT TO LEARN.
Moot.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:27 am Or if you can't teach me what is "right, accurate, and correct" then what do you want me to do about it?
I do NOT understand this statement, or question.
WHERE are 'you' GOING with 'this' now "gary childress"?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:27 am Throw darts at an ouija board and pretend they're the right answers for you?
UNTIL CLARIFICATION IS GIVEN one could say that what we have here is ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of BELIEFS and/or PRESUMPTIONS, AGAIN, literally, leading one COMPLETELY ASTRAY.
My ANSWER to your QUESTION, 'Can I teach you?' WAS 'YES'. So, if you were NOT BELIEVING or NOT PRESUMING some OTHER ANSWER here WHY were you GOING DOWN this line of QUESTIONING here?
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That's a strange response. Who would not want to learn the truth? Why would I not want to learn the truth (assuming it's something good, appropriate or at least satisfactory in some sense)
Fire away! Let me know what the truth is. I'll only give you a disclaimer ahead of time that I may not be an easy "sell" depending on how solid your case appears to me. If it's not, then I'm sorry but it might conceivably be stupid (in my experience, depending) for me to just hop on board without enough evidence or else common sense behind the choice to agree with you.
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Is it REALLY?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 amThat's a strange response.
If yes, then WHY, EXACTLY?
you ASKED, 'Can you teach me?' I answered, 'Yes'. So, HOW, EXACTLY, could 'that' be INTERPRETED as 'strange'? Unless, OF COURSE, you BELIEVE or ASSUME that I can NOT.
Or, maybe you find STRANGE the NEXT sentence I wrote in MY RESPONSE.
Maybe BECAUSE you have 'now' ADDED the 'truth' word is the reason WHY you find MY RESPONSE 'strange'.
Are you even AWARE that you ASKED me;
'Do you know what is actually "right" in life or do you not? If so, can you teach me?'
So, WHY, EXACTLY, have you ADDED the 'truth' word INTO 'this' here now?
BUT the 'truth' was NEVER even talked ABOUT, UNTIL you introduced 'this word' just 'now' in 'this post'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am Why would I not want to learn the truth (assuming it's something good, appropriate or at least satisfactory in some sense)
This REALLY WAS how SIMPLE and EASY these people, back then, REALLY DID get SO DISTRACTED.
So, IF 'you' WANT to KNOW what 'the truth' IS, now, THEN 'you' WILL HAVE TO INFORM us of what 'that truth' is IN RELATION TO, EXACTLY?
AND, WHY did 'you' CHANGE from 'what IS Right', to, 'what the truth is', EXACTLY?
I WILL INFORM 'you' that 'I' AM WAITING for 'you' TO DECIDE what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, which 'you' are WANTING and SEEKING here.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am I'll only give you a disclaimer ahead of time that I may not be an easy "sell" depending on how solid your case appears to me.
Also, are you under some sort of ILLUSION that your disclaimer here would NOT apply to absolutely EVERY person?
Were you EXPECTING that you are the only one who bases your 'buying' on how SOLID A CASE appears, to them?
But was it NOT 'you', "gary childress", who was going on before about having to GUESS and/or ASSUME 'things' WITHOUT have ALL of the information or ACTUAL Facts?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am If it's not, then I'm sorry but it might conceivably be stupid (in my experience, depending) for me to just hop on board without enough evidence or else common sense behind the choice to agree with you.
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OK. Let's proceed then. You stated that you know what is "right". I would like to learn from you what is right. As an explanation to your inquiry above: I added the word "truth" only because I would like to know what is the right thing for me to do, not just what is the right thing for me to do in your opinion. For example, if you tell me the "right" thing to do is to fetch your slippers, I may ask you why is that the "right" thing to do and not the contrary of that? (in other words, you'll have to show me that your "right thing" has the logical value of "true") In any case, let's stop complicating things and stop worrying about contingencies other than the real question we're interested in. Feel free to ignore everything except for the sentence at the bottom of this post. Or you may comment on everything else I've written, however, if you don't answer the sentence at the bottom, then I may lose interest in this conversation and put you back on ignore.Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:28 amIs it REALLY?
If yes, then WHY, EXACTLY?
you ASKED, 'Can you teach me?' I answered, 'Yes'. So, HOW, EXACTLY, could 'that' be INTERPRETED as 'strange'? Unless, OF COURSE, you BELIEVE or ASSUME that I can NOT.
Or, maybe you find STRANGE the NEXT sentence I wrote in MY RESPONSE.Maybe BECAUSE you have 'now' ADDED the 'truth' word is the reason WHY you find MY RESPONSE 'strange'.
Are you even AWARE that you ASKED me;
'Do you know what is actually "right" in life or do you not? If so, can you teach me?'
So, WHY, EXACTLY, have you ADDED the 'truth' word INTO 'this' here now?
BUT the 'truth' was NEVER even talked ABOUT, UNTIL you introduced 'this word' just 'now' in 'this post'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am Why would I not want to learn the truth (assuming it's something good, appropriate or at least satisfactory in some sense)This REALLY WAS how SIMPLE and EASY these people, back then, REALLY DID get SO DISTRACTED.
So, IF 'you' WANT to KNOW what 'the truth' IS, now, THEN 'you' WILL HAVE TO INFORM us of what 'that truth' is IN RELATION TO, EXACTLY?
AND, WHY did 'you' CHANGE from 'what IS Right', to, 'what the truth is', EXACTLY?
I WILL INFORM 'you' that 'I' AM WAITING for 'you' TO DECIDE what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, which 'you' are WANTING and SEEKING here.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am I'll only give you a disclaimer ahead of time that I may not be an easy "sell" depending on how solid your case appears to me.
Also, are you under some sort of ILLUSION that your disclaimer here would NOT apply to absolutely EVERY person?
Were you EXPECTING that you are the only one who bases your 'buying' on how SOLID A CASE appears, to them?
But was it NOT 'you', "gary childress", who was going on before about having to GUESS and/or ASSUME 'things' WITHOUT have ALL of the information or ACTUAL Facts?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am If it's not, then I'm sorry but it might conceivably be stupid (in my experience, depending) for me to just hop on board without enough evidence or else common sense behind the choice to agree with you.
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Apologies but it appears that I've lost the plot. No matter, I'm not going to lose my life because of it. Ah! Now I see what you mean. Good to know you're tracking the ball, quite well I must say.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 12:03 amWell if it's a "simple thing" to define what is "evil" then I seem to be incapable of doing the "simple" as well. I guess we're both in a similar boat in that respect. Welcome to my life raft! Feel free to sit wherever I'm not, or if it comes down to it, you're welcome to throw me overboard if there's no other room. I doubt "surviving" is that terribly important anyway. The "winner" only inherits this screwed-up world to contend with. I'm sure the "winner's" children will grow up to quarrel and struggle with each other the same as we do, at least until the Sun explodes or whatever ends the whole ordeal.Agent Smith wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2023 2:07 amGood call, but I lack the wherewithal to do what you're asking me to do - for some people even simple things are impossible.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2023 3:41 pm
What are "evil spirits", "really"? As far as I know, "evil" is something to be opposed. However, that leaves the question open, "What ought to be opposed"? If we are supposed to oppose "evil" then it might help to flesh out a little better what "evil" is. Any ideas?
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Just to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR you asked me;Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:37 amOK. Let's proceed then. You stated that you know what is "right".Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:28 amIs it REALLY?
If yes, then WHY, EXACTLY?
you ASKED, 'Can you teach me?' I answered, 'Yes'. So, HOW, EXACTLY, could 'that' be INTERPRETED as 'strange'? Unless, OF COURSE, you BELIEVE or ASSUME that I can NOT.
Or, maybe you find STRANGE the NEXT sentence I wrote in MY RESPONSE.Maybe BECAUSE you have 'now' ADDED the 'truth' word is the reason WHY you find MY RESPONSE 'strange'.
Are you even AWARE that you ASKED me;
'Do you know what is actually "right" in life or do you not? If so, can you teach me?'
So, WHY, EXACTLY, have you ADDED the 'truth' word INTO 'this' here now?
BUT the 'truth' was NEVER even talked ABOUT, UNTIL you introduced 'this word' just 'now' in 'this post'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am Why would I not want to learn the truth (assuming it's something good, appropriate or at least satisfactory in some sense)This REALLY WAS how SIMPLE and EASY these people, back then, REALLY DID get SO DISTRACTED.
So, IF 'you' WANT to KNOW what 'the truth' IS, now, THEN 'you' WILL HAVE TO INFORM us of what 'that truth' is IN RELATION TO, EXACTLY?
AND, WHY did 'you' CHANGE from 'what IS Right', to, 'what the truth is', EXACTLY?
I WILL INFORM 'you' that 'I' AM WAITING for 'you' TO DECIDE what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, which 'you' are WANTING and SEEKING here.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am I'll only give you a disclaimer ahead of time that I may not be an easy "sell" depending on how solid your case appears to me.
Also, are you under some sort of ILLUSION that your disclaimer here would NOT apply to absolutely EVERY person?
Were you EXPECTING that you are the only one who bases your 'buying' on how SOLID A CASE appears, to them?
But was it NOT 'you', "gary childress", who was going on before about having to GUESS and/or ASSUME 'things' WITHOUT have ALL of the information or ACTUAL Facts?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 1:02 am If it's not, then I'm sorry but it might conceivably be stupid (in my experience, depending) for me to just hop on board without enough evidence or else common sense behind the choice to agree with you.
Do you know what is actually "right" in life or do you not? To which I stated, 'YES I DO', and, asked you, 'DO you?' Which we STILL have received NO reply to.
What is 'right' in relation to, EXACTLY, which you want to learn, from me?
I said and stated that I KNOW what is Right, in relation to 'Life'.
For me to be able to teach you things, then you have to be VERY SPECIFIC about what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, which you want to learn about.
What IS Right, in Life, to me, is providing LOVE, GUIDANCE, CARE, and SUPPORT to younger ones to NOT abuse absolutely ANY 'thing', and by doing so 'one' is TEACHING 'them', what IS ACTUALLY Right in Life, more so by ACTUAL behavior, or 'by actions', rather than by just words alone.
By just DOING 'this' one is DOING what IS, ACTUALLY, Right, in Life. Well to me anyway.
Also, what you would like here, that is; to learn, from 'me', what is right, SHOWS and PROVES that you have NOT YET RECEIVED ACTUAL proper and correct GUIDANCE in Life, which, by the way, is what ALL of 'us' have WANTED, 'from the beginning'.
Ah okay. But if you REALLY want to KNOW what IS ACTUALLY and IRREFUTABLY the Right thing for you to do, then ONLY you COULD and WILL KNOW, for sure, what 'that' IS, EXACTLY.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:37 am As an explanation to your inquiry above: I added the word "truth" only because I would like to know what is the right thing for me to do, not just what is the right thing for me to do in your opinion.
Now, if you would like to LEARN to KNOW HOW you COULD and WILL KNOW 'that', FOR SURE, all by "your" OWN 'self', then that is ANOTHER process, which you NEED to be Truly Honest, Open, and seriously Want to CHANGE, for the better. That is HOW 'that' WORKS.
BUT, the QUESTIONS I am INTERESTED IN have ALREADY PROVEN to be DIFFERENT FROM the QUESTIONS you are INTERESTED IN.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:37 am For example, if you tell me the "right" thing to do is to fetch your slippers, I may ask you why is that the "right" thing to do and not the contrary of that? (in other words, you'll have to show me that your "right thing" has the logical value of "true") In any case, let's stop complicating things and stop worrying about contingencies other than the real question we're interested in.
Anyway, if you REALLY would like to KNOW what is the Right thing to DO, in Life, then just do NOT ABUSE ANY 'one', (if you do NOT like me saying 'thing').
This is fairly OBVIOUS and would go WITHOUT SAYING, would it NOT?
SEE, what IS IRREFUTABLY True, Right, and Correct, in Life, is ALREADY KNOWN, WITHIN. 'They', however, were just UNCONSCIOUSLY KNOWN, by most of you, in the days when this was being written.
BUT, if we take the above example of, Do NOT abuse ANY 'one' IS the Right 'thing' to DO, in Life, then we can SEE that what IS ACTUALLY True, and Right, in Life is ACTUALLY VERY EASY and VERY SIMPLE to FIND, or UNCOVER, correct?
It just takes Honesty, OPENNESS, a Want to CHANGE, for the better, WITH ACTUAL REAL CURIOSITY.
Okay, and thank you. BUT, I ALREADY KNOW that 'I' AM ABSOLUTELY FREE to DO absolutely ANY 'thing' of my OWN CHOOSING.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:37 am Feel free to ignore everything except for the sentence at the bottom of this post.
AGAIN, thank you for THE PERMISSION, but it was UNNECESSARY, REALLY.
By the way, I had responded, and commented, ALREADY, anyway.
Okay.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 2:37 am however, if you don't answer the sentence at the bottom, then I may lose interest in this conversation and put you back on ignore.
ALREADY ANSWERED. See above.
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